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> he's digging his way out of this particular PR hole Out of? Or into? I have to admit I like Musk a lot more when he keeps his mouth shut. With this and his

by venus 14y ago

> he's digging his way out of this particular PR hole Out of? Or into? I have to admit I like Musk a lot more when he keeps his mouth shut. With this and his ludicrous Boeing grandstanding, he is sounding less like a mature, visionary CEO with every word he says.

wuest 14y ago
> Out of? Or into? I'd argue into. He appears to think he's digging his way out.
snogglethorpe 14y ago
Yeah, Musk has done some great things, but he seems the sort of person best admired from a distance with some vaseline on the lens... looking too closely reveals something rather less admirable. [e.g. his "I'm the alpha in this relationship" quote,† at his wedding... I mean, that's downright creepy...] † http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/millionaire-starter-wife http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/mill... [note: I originally cited http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2012/elon-musk-interview-1212-4 http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2012/elon-musk-int... as a source for the quote, and some replies refer to it, not the Marie Claire op-ed (which is a more direct source).]
- ANH 14y ago
  My god, that journalist should write for soap operas. Based on my firsthand experience with journalists, I would not be at all surprised to learn that what you quoted was something reported second hand, was said ironically, taken out of context, etc. Suggesting equivalence between the nature of his romantic relationships and the nature of the SpaceX relationship with NASA? Methinks the pendulum has swung a bit far.
  - doktrin 14y ago
    > Based on my firsthand experience with journalists, I would not be at all surprised to learn that what you quoted was something reported second hand, was said ironically, taken out of context, etc. Journalists shouldn't get a free pass simply by virtue of their profession, but neither should they be vilified for it. I am not particularly familiar with this issue, but a google search turned up the following op-ed, written by Musk's ex-wife [1] : Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, "I am the alpha in this relationship." I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon's judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. "I am your wife," I told him repeatedly, "not your employee." "If you were my employee," he said just as often, "I would fire you." [1] http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/millionaire-starter-wife http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/mill...
    - snogglethorpe 14y ago
      Thanks, that's a better citation for this quote; I've changed my comment to use it.
    - ANH 14y ago
      I'm criticizing the journalist for writing drivel. I am perfectly willing to believe Elon is a jackass in his personal life. But does any of this have a bearing on the matter at hand?
      - doktrin 14y ago
        >But does any of this have a bearing on the matter at hand? Yes. You made incorrect assumptions about the source of the quote. Regardless of whether she [Musk's ex wife] may be biased, it's certainly a first hand account of the event in question.
    - rhizome 14y ago
      Marie Claire? Really? Even US Magazine would be a step up from that rag.
      - doktrin 14y ago
        It's an op-ed, and the author is Musk's wife [first hand account of the quote in question]. The publication is irrelevant in this context.
    - olefoo 14y ago
      The worst thing about that quote is the sense that it will make Elon Musk even more of a role model to the thousand or so insecure boys who seem to show up to every internet discussion about gender roles. Mr. Musk may be admirable in the ad astra per aspera sense, but that doesn't mean he is an earthly saint and shouldn't be called on his BS from time to time. Aping your heroes worst qualities is not good for you or your hero.
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by venus 14y ago

wuest 14y ago

> Out of? Or into? I'd argue into. He appears to think he's digging his way out.

snogglethorpe 14y ago

Yeah, Musk has done some great things, but he seems the sort of person best admired from a distance with some vaseline on the lens... looking too closely reveals something rather less admirable. [e.g. his "I'm the alpha in this relationship" quote,† at his wedding... I mean, that's downright creepy...] † http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/millionaire-starter-wife http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/mill... [note: I originally cited http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2012/elon-musk-interview-1212-4 http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2012/elon-musk-int... as a source for the quote, and some replies refer to it, not the Marie Claire op-ed (which is a more direct source).]

ANH 14y ago
My god, that journalist should write for soap operas. Based on my firsthand experience with journalists, I would not be at all surprised to learn that what you quoted was something reported second hand, was said ironically, taken out of context, etc. Suggesting equivalence between the nature of his romantic relationships and the nature of the SpaceX relationship with NASA? Methinks the pendulum has swung a bit far.
- doktrin 14y ago
  > Based on my firsthand experience with journalists, I would not be at all surprised to learn that what you quoted was something reported second hand, was said ironically, taken out of context, etc. Journalists shouldn't get a free pass simply by virtue of their profession, but neither should they be vilified for it. I am not particularly familiar with this issue, but a google search turned up the following op-ed, written by Musk's ex-wife [1] : Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, "I am the alpha in this relationship." I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon's judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. "I am your wife," I told him repeatedly, "not your employee." "If you were my employee," he said just as often, "I would fire you." [1] http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/millionaire-starter-wife http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/mill...
  - snogglethorpe 14y ago
    Thanks, that's a better citation for this quote; I've changed my comment to use it.
  - ANH 14y ago
    I'm criticizing the journalist for writing drivel. I am perfectly willing to believe Elon is a jackass in his personal life. But does any of this have a bearing on the matter at hand?
    - doktrin 14y ago
      >But does any of this have a bearing on the matter at hand? Yes. You made incorrect assumptions about the source of the quote. Regardless of whether she [Musk's ex wife] may be biased, it's certainly a first hand account of the event in question.
  - rhizome 14y ago
    Marie Claire? Really? Even US Magazine would be a step up from that rag.
    - doktrin 14y ago
      It's an op-ed, and the author is Musk's wife [first hand account of the quote in question]. The publication is irrelevant in this context.
  - olefoo 14y ago
    The worst thing about that quote is the sense that it will make Elon Musk even more of a role model to the thousand or so insecure boys who seem to show up to every internet discussion about gender roles. Mr. Musk may be admirable in the ad astra per aspera sense, but that doesn't mean he is an earthly saint and shouldn't be called on his BS from time to time. Aping your heroes worst qualities is not good for you or your hero.

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