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They learnt everything from others by launching late, but added most of the good design patterns. Great work all together. Worth mentioning, Ubuntu is emerging

by pajju 14y ago

They learnt everything from others by launching late, but added most of the good design patterns. Great work all together. Worth mentioning, Ubuntu is emerging as perfect web platform with tight integration with web-services. "And now web applications are first class citizens too, wow. I was waiting for this to happen fast." At this stage they need: 1. More Partners. They must have strong tie-ups with OEM partners, who can make in-expensive devices, otherwise its not going anywhere. Get those chinese manufacturers. 2. Please NO device fragmentation and open strict standards among OEM's. 3. Nokia backing up this project? Isn't this the best time for Nokia to make Ubuntu powered devices? I think so. Under the current circumstances, Ubuntu and Nokia can make a good win-win fit. Nokia maybe can now come back strongly, instead of believing in a closed ecosystem like windows, which is not going anywhere. 3. Get Funded. 4. Apps. Quality and tested apps. Can this happen with Open Source methodologies? Debatable. :) All together this is great progress in a short span. Incredible team-work, lets not forget this comes from Open Source World. Love this, Made my day.

wuest 14y ago
> 3. Nokia backing up this project? I would love for this to happen (heck, my N900 and N9 show that Nokia + Linux = fantastic device) but I fear that as long as Elop is at the reins, this is an impossible dream. This is the same CEO who even went so far as to ditch Qt less than a year ago, remember.
mtgx 14y ago
2. The apps will remain compatible, just like on Android, but I fear they will give too much control over to carriers. From what I understand they want to give "total branding power" over a device to carriers. So we'll see how they go about that without pissing off the user. If it's subtle enough it might work. But I still hate the idea of giving even more power (again) to the carriers. The carriers should be powerless when it comes to the devices they sell. They should be no more than retailers. Who has ever heard of retailers messing with the products? No one, because that's a crazy idea. Yet that's what the carriers are doing, and will probably do even more with these new operating systems desperate for market share. 3. Why should Nokia back this project up? I mean why specifically them, and not Samsung, HTC, Sony or Huawei? Also there's zero chance they will do it. They didn't back Meego, they killed Meltemi, they aren't backing Sailfish, and they will back Ubuntu? Why? Microsoft would never allow it. And we all know Nokia is just a subsidiary of Microsoft now. 4. One of my biggest problems with Linux in general looking at it from a "consumer" point of view, has always been how ugly the programs look on Linux. They are cringe worthy, and I hate the font, too. I don't know what they're doing here, but I really hope Canonical is serious about design guidelines and resources for developers, much like Apple, Google and Microsoft have done it. They need to make it dead-easy for just about any developer to create beautiful Ubuntu apps at least with the stock resources. This should be one of their top priorities with Ubuntu, not only on mobile, but on the desktop, too. So I hope they're using resources and design guidelines that will scale well to the desktop, too. And I still think they need to rethink the Unity UI to make it more user-friendly and less frustrating.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  The only way to make carriers powerless is if consumers buy phones unsubsidized. Even Apple makes concessions to carriers.
  - pekk 14y ago
    They often do outside the US.
  - pjmlp 14y ago
    Which is quite common in Europe.
- biot 14y ago
  Ubuntu is free so they need to make their money somehow, and consumers are unlikely to spring for Canonical's expert training, support, or consulting fees. Perhaps if you had to purchase Ubuntu for $29 on top of your naked device price (there's likely very little margin in the hardware), the incentive to charge carriers for customization wouldn't be there.
- stcredzero 14y ago
  > The carriers should be powerless when it comes to the devices they sell. They should be no more than retailers. Who has ever heard of retailers messing with the products? No one, because that's a crazy idea. It's even a doofy idea for car dealers to tack their own logo plaques on the back of your car. Annoying.
  - allons-y 14y ago
    They stuck one on the back of my dad's Challenger, and he took it back and made them take it off.
  - tcdent 14y ago
    One of the first things I do with a new car is get rid of the branded license plate frames. I seem to be a minority though, as most people either don't seem to care, or can't wield a screwdriver.
untog 14y ago
Why on earth would Nokia back this project? If they make a tablet it's going to be a Windows 8 device.
- azakai 14y ago
  It would make sense for Nokia to not put all its eggs in one basket. Windows is not doing well on mobile devices, so Nokia investing in other options would be the safe thing to do.
  - sultezdukes 14y ago
    And you think that Ubuntu on mobile devices is going to do any better? Nokia screwed up, but diverting resources to an even more miniscule market is even crazier.
    - azakai 14y ago
      It is not miniscule, it is 0% right now ;) But again, the question is of putting all the eggs in one basket or not. Ubuntu and other non-windows mobile OSes each have different approaches, hard to say which will succeed. It's foolish to bet on just one if you are as big as Nokia.
      - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
        What I don't understand is why these late-comers continue to try and build their own self-contained ecosystem of apps. Microsoft with all its money still barely has a decent ecosystem and even that has a lot of holes. There's 0 chance that any other is going to be given the time of day. Blackberry hinging on Gingerbread apps is just silly. Instead they should be betting on the web, completely. Ubuntu, being a traditional Linux distro, has a big library of desktop apps that can be cross-compiled in Emscripten, but instead they split their much smaller resources between several different options.
        marssaxman 14y ago
mcantelon 14y ago
>Isn't this the best time for Nokia to make Ubuntu powered devices? I think so. The Nokia CEO's a Microsoft loyalist so this is probably not going to happen.

by pajju 14y ago

wuest 14y ago

> 3. Nokia backing up this project? I would love for this to happen (heck, my N900 and N9 show that Nokia + Linux = fantastic device) but I fear that as long as Elop is at the reins, this is an impossible dream. This is the same CEO who even went so far as to ditch Qt less than a year ago, remember.

mtgx 14y ago

2. The apps will remain compatible, just like on Android, but I fear they will give too much control over to carriers. From what I understand they want to give "total branding power" over a device to carriers. So we'll see how they go about that without pissing off the user. If it's subtle enough it might work. But I still hate the idea of giving even more power (again) to the carriers. The carriers should be powerless when it comes to the devices they sell. They should be no more than retailers. Who has ever heard of retailers messing with the products? No one, because that's a crazy idea. Yet that's what the carriers are doing, and will probably do even more with these new operating systems desperate for market share. 3. Why should Nokia back this project up? I mean why specifically them, and not Samsung, HTC, Sony or Huawei? Also there's zero chance they will do it. They didn't back Meego, they killed Meltemi, they aren't backing Sailfish, and they will back Ubuntu? Why? Microsoft would never allow it. And we all know Nokia is just a subsidiary of Microsoft now. 4. One of my biggest problems with Linux in general looking at it from a "consumer" point of view, has always been how ugly the programs look on Linux. They are cringe worthy, and I hate the font, too. I don't know what they're doing here, but I really hope Canonical is serious about design guidelines and resources for developers, much like Apple, Google and Microsoft have done it. They need to make it dead-easy for just about any developer to create beautiful Ubuntu apps at least with the stock resources. This should be one of their top priorities with Ubuntu, not only on mobile, but on the desktop, too. So I hope they're using resources and design guidelines that will scale well to the desktop, too. And I still think they need to rethink the Unity UI to make it more user-friendly and less frustrating.

MatthewPhillips 14y ago
The only way to make carriers powerless is if consumers buy phones unsubsidized. Even Apple makes concessions to carriers.
- pekk 14y ago
  They often do outside the US.
- pjmlp 14y ago
  Which is quite common in Europe.
biot 14y ago
Ubuntu is free so they need to make their money somehow, and consumers are unlikely to spring for Canonical's expert training, support, or consulting fees. Perhaps if you had to purchase Ubuntu for $29 on top of your naked device price (there's likely very little margin in the hardware), the incentive to charge carriers for customization wouldn't be there.
stcredzero 14y ago
> The carriers should be powerless when it comes to the devices they sell. They should be no more than retailers. Who has ever heard of retailers messing with the products? No one, because that's a crazy idea. It's even a doofy idea for car dealers to tack their own logo plaques on the back of your car. Annoying.
- allons-y 14y ago
  They stuck one on the back of my dad's Challenger, and he took it back and made them take it off.
- tcdent 14y ago
  One of the first things I do with a new car is get rid of the branded license plate frames. I seem to be a minority though, as most people either don't seem to care, or can't wield a screwdriver.

untog 14y ago

Why on earth would Nokia back this project? If they make a tablet it's going to be a Windows 8 device.

azakai 14y ago
It would make sense for Nokia to not put all its eggs in one basket. Windows is not doing well on mobile devices, so Nokia investing in other options would be the safe thing to do.
- sultezdukes 14y ago
  And you think that Ubuntu on mobile devices is going to do any better? Nokia screwed up, but diverting resources to an even more miniscule market is even crazier.
  - azakai 14y ago
    It is not miniscule, it is 0% right now ;) But again, the question is of putting all the eggs in one basket or not. Ubuntu and other non-windows mobile OSes each have different approaches, hard to say which will succeed. It's foolish to bet on just one if you are as big as Nokia.
    - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
      What I don't understand is why these late-comers continue to try and build their own self-contained ecosystem of apps. Microsoft with all its money still barely has a decent ecosystem and even that has a lot of holes. There's 0 chance that any other is going to be given the time of day. Blackberry hinging on Gingerbread apps is just silly. Instead they should be betting on the web, completely. Ubuntu, being a traditional Linux distro, has a big library of desktop apps that can be cross-compiled in Emscripten, but instead they split their much smaller resources between several different options.
      - marssaxman 14y ago

mcantelon 14y ago

>Isn't this the best time for Nokia to make Ubuntu powered devices? I think so. The Nokia CEO's a Microsoft loyalist so this is probably not going to happen.