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So I guess I can't talk about the DOM; many functions are just an API for it; and canvas is just an API for drawing accelerated by the CPU; so... Javascript is

So I guess I can't talk about the DOM; many functions are just an API for it; and canvas is just an API for drawing accelerated by the CPU; so... Javascript is nothing and nothing can be blamed on it?

MrScruff 14y ago
I'm just saying that the provision of video streaming as a web api is not a particularly technically interesting development. It's just a gradual beefing up of the browser as a thin client. And until support for the features are widespread, it's not really a commercially interesting development either. I would class many of the other things you mention as incremental improvements of the rendering engine as a universal runtime. It's great that it's happening but it's not technically that exciting to me to see reimplementations of 16 year old games since we've had the flash runtime in the interim anyway.
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  Broken argument; flash is way too slow compared to the current version of Canvas; recently I made a full conversion of flash to canvas (was painful but) the performance is outstanding and the ability to interact natively and play nice with the DOM is invaluable.
  - MrScruff 14y ago
    The latest comparative performance of 2D drawing in one runtime vs another doesn't have anything to do with my argument.
    - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
      > I'm just saying that the provision of video streaming as a web api is not a particularly technically interesting development. It's just a gradual beefing up of the browser as a thin client. And until support for the features are widespread, it's not really a commercially interesting development either. You mean P2P connections? Oh we have that now in Firefox and Chrome. You mean video chats? Oh we have that. You mean thousands of libraries to create and develop videogames for the web? Oh we have that. You mean easily extensible browsers via plugins/extension? Oh we have that. I need you to be very specific about what we are lacking.
      - MrScruff 14y ago
        What the html platform is lacking? My last project was built around QT, OpenGL, CUDA and made extensive use of various C based linear algebra libraries and was ~20kloc of C++. I'm sure it could be reimplemented as a web app but it would be a strange decision to do so. But that wasn't my point. My point was that just because the web allows you to do things that were possible on the desktop 10+ years ago doesn't make it interesting to me. And the fact that you can always add specific functionality to the runtime like video conferencing doesn't really address that. I don't have to wait for browser vendors, I just start coding.

MrScruff 14y ago

I'm just saying that the provision of video streaming as a web api is not a particularly technically interesting development. It's just a gradual beefing up of the browser as a thin client. And until support for the features are widespread, it's not really a commercially interesting development either. I would class many of the other things you mention as incremental improvements of the rendering engine as a universal runtime. It's great that it's happening but it's not technically that exciting to me to see reimplementations of 16 year old games since we've had the flash runtime in the interim anyway.

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
Broken argument; flash is way too slow compared to the current version of Canvas; recently I made a full conversion of flash to canvas (was painful but) the performance is outstanding and the ability to interact natively and play nice with the DOM is invaluable.
- MrScruff 14y ago
  The latest comparative performance of 2D drawing in one runtime vs another doesn't have anything to do with my argument.
  - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
    > I'm just saying that the provision of video streaming as a web api is not a particularly technically interesting development. It's just a gradual beefing up of the browser as a thin client. And until support for the features are widespread, it's not really a commercially interesting development either. You mean P2P connections? Oh we have that now in Firefox and Chrome. You mean video chats? Oh we have that. You mean thousands of libraries to create and develop videogames for the web? Oh we have that. You mean easily extensible browsers via plugins/extension? Oh we have that. I need you to be very specific about what we are lacking.
    - MrScruff 14y ago
      What the html platform is lacking? My last project was built around QT, OpenGL, CUDA and made extensive use of various C based linear algebra libraries and was ~20kloc of C++. I'm sure it could be reimplemented as a web app but it would be a strange decision to do so. But that wasn't my point. My point was that just because the web allows you to do things that were possible on the desktop 10+ years ago doesn't make it interesting to me. And the fact that you can always add specific functionality to the runtime like video conferencing doesn't really address that. I don't have to wait for browser vendors, I just start coding.