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Introducing AWS OpsWorks, a Powerful AWS Application Management Solution

37 points by werner 14y ago

saevarom 14y ago
So... bye, bye PaaS startups?
- thibaut_barrere 14y ago
  I don't believe so! Just because I know how to handle Chef (or something else) doesn't mean I want to do it for all projects or at all times. I will still pay for a PaaS that allows me to go on holidays without too much thinking, handle security properly, provide advice etc. That said I believe, too, it will "up" the game of PaaS, since it certainly has elements of overlap.
  - saevarom 14y ago
    True, I really appreciate the benefits of Heroku since it removes your concerns about server management altogether. OpsWorks may be more of a competition for services Engine Yard, though.
- hayksaakian 14y ago
  The OP clearly describes how beanstalk is closer to what you're describing than this. This is closer to regular AWS + some sysadmin conveniences. It doesn't do everything for you.
  - tellarin 14y ago
    How do beanstalk and opsworks relate to each other?
tellarin 14y ago
Does anyone have pointers to a good comparison between puppet and chef? It'd pretty interesting to also know why Amazon went with chef first.
- bryanwb 14y ago
  here is my view on the topic http://devopsanywhere.blogspot.it/2011/10/puppet-vs-chef-fight.html http://devopsanywhere.blogspot.it/2011/10/puppet-vs-chef-fig...
  - makerbreaker 14y ago
    "Chef's Data Bags are incredibly useful." Very true. Not having to deal with a DSL (which is a personal opinion) is the reason I chose chef over puppet. Plus the IRC channel seems to be more active. Is the AWS opswork link broken for anyone else? I tried to view their pricing/sign up, but received 404's.
    - mpdehaan2 14y ago
      I like data driven stuff. Though there's still a DSL. This is a large reason why I made http://ansible.cc http://ansible.cc, as I wanted the actual description of the policy to be data as well.
- ironchef 14y ago
  So Jesse (one of the founders of opscode (makers of chef)) used to work at amazon before he founded chef along with Adam. Adam had been working almost 2 years using puppet at other companies and it was pretty obvious he wasn't happy with the way puppet did things. I've heard that chef was closer to the method of thinking that amazon employed in their automated operations (which wasn't really exposed to the public). That being said, they're both fine solutions and are in use in a number of large enterprises (goog, etc.)...the key is to be automating your operations in some manner. Hell...use both and see which aspects are / are not important to you / your people.

37 points by werner 14y ago

saevarom 14y ago

So... bye, bye PaaS startups?

thibaut_barrere 14y ago
I don't believe so! Just because I know how to handle Chef (or something else) doesn't mean I want to do it for all projects or at all times. I will still pay for a PaaS that allows me to go on holidays without too much thinking, handle security properly, provide advice etc. That said I believe, too, it will "up" the game of PaaS, since it certainly has elements of overlap.
- saevarom 14y ago
  True, I really appreciate the benefits of Heroku since it removes your concerns about server management altogether. OpsWorks may be more of a competition for services Engine Yard, though.
hayksaakian 14y ago
The OP clearly describes how beanstalk is closer to what you're describing than this. This is closer to regular AWS + some sysadmin conveniences. It doesn't do everything for you.
- tellarin 14y ago
  How do beanstalk and opsworks relate to each other?

tellarin 14y ago

Does anyone have pointers to a good comparison between puppet and chef? It'd pretty interesting to also know why Amazon went with chef first.

bryanwb 14y ago
here is my view on the topic http://devopsanywhere.blogspot.it/2011/10/puppet-vs-chef-fight.html http://devopsanywhere.blogspot.it/2011/10/puppet-vs-chef-fig...
- makerbreaker 14y ago
  "Chef's Data Bags are incredibly useful." Very true. Not having to deal with a DSL (which is a personal opinion) is the reason I chose chef over puppet. Plus the IRC channel seems to be more active. Is the AWS opswork link broken for anyone else? I tried to view their pricing/sign up, but received 404's.
  - mpdehaan2 14y ago
    I like data driven stuff. Though there's still a DSL. This is a large reason why I made http://ansible.cc http://ansible.cc, as I wanted the actual description of the policy to be data as well.
ironchef 14y ago
So Jesse (one of the founders of opscode (makers of chef)) used to work at amazon before he founded chef along with Adam. Adam had been working almost 2 years using puppet at other companies and it was pretty obvious he wasn't happy with the way puppet did things. I've heard that chef was closer to the method of thinking that amazon employed in their automated operations (which wasn't really exposed to the public). That being said, they're both fine solutions and are in use in a number of large enterprises (goog, etc.)...the key is to be automating your operations in some manner. Hell...use both and see which aspects are / are not important to you / your people.