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Another angle is that the cyclist knows that he is slowing down a caravan of cars behind them and yet he's still OK with that. It's the egoism that is irksome.

Another angle is that the cyclist knows that he is slowing down a caravan of cars behind them and yet he's still OK with that. It's the egoism that is irksome. (edit) Why the hell am I downvoted? If you are cycling at 10 mph in a rush hour and holding back a block worth of traffic, do you seriously not have a slightest concern that you might be valuing your own interests a bit too much? And then you wonder why-oh-why the cars drivers don't love you with all their hearts. Jeez. Do not do unto others what you don't want to have done to you.

cllns 14y ago
Or rather, that assumption is irksome, rather than its truth. My primary goal when biking is to stay safe. Everything else is secondary. I want you to get where you're going quickly but I will not feel guilty about making you slow down if it's going to keep me alive.
owenjones 14y ago
As an actual real world bicyclist the ONLY reason I'm in your lane is if a car is ILLEGALLY stopped in the bike lane.
- huhtenberg 14y ago
  That very much depends on the city. I'm all Yay for bike lanes, but if we are sharing the road, then let's do in fact share it.
  - owenjones 14y ago
    Right! I'm all for sharing the road. In fact when people are illegally stopped in the bike lane I'm not enraged or infuriated at them, even if I have to slow down or come to a complete stop behind them to wait for traffic to pass so it's safe to go around. But unlike you apparently I also don't assume their behavior is motivated by egoism!
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gensym 14y ago
If its a block's worth of traffic, it's because the rush hour drivers are driving vehicles that are unnecessarily large for getting individuals to and from work. If such drivers were in appropriately-sized vehicles, like bicycles, there would be problem. Believe me - when you're driving an auto during rush hour, you are inconveniencing others, but because you're doing so in a conventional manner, you are likely unaware.

cllns 14y ago

Or rather, that assumption is irksome, rather than its truth. My primary goal when biking is to stay safe. Everything else is secondary. I want you to get where you're going quickly but I will not feel guilty about making you slow down if it's going to keep me alive.

owenjones 14y ago

As an actual real world bicyclist the ONLY reason I'm in your lane is if a car is ILLEGALLY stopped in the bike lane.

huhtenberg 14y ago
That very much depends on the city. I'm all Yay for bike lanes, but if we are sharing the road, then let's do in fact share it.
- owenjones 14y ago
  Right! I'm all for sharing the road. In fact when people are illegally stopped in the bike lane I'm not enraged or infuriated at them, even if I have to slow down or come to a complete stop behind them to wait for traffic to pass so it's safe to go around. But unlike you apparently I also don't assume their behavior is motivated by egoism!
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gensym 14y ago

If its a block's worth of traffic, it's because the rush hour drivers are driving vehicles that are unnecessarily large for getting individuals to and from work. If such drivers were in appropriately-sized vehicles, like bicycles, there would be problem. Believe me - when you're driving an auto during rush hour, you are inconveniencing others, but because you're doing so in a conventional manner, you are likely unaware.