5 ms·

Thanks for the summary. This useless fluff piece lost me after the first page.

by jpcx01 18y ago

brandnewlow 18y ago
How can you render judgment if you didn't read past page one?
- randallsquared 18y ago
  Not reading past page one is a judgment. It's one I make all the time about various articles and stories.
  - brandnewlow 18y ago
    Certainly. But then you don't pass judgment on the work as a whole based on the little bit you read.
    - geebee 18y ago
      Perhaps not. But suppose I wrote 5,000 pages of pure stream of consciousness drivel. Would you feel obligated to read every page before deciding the whole thing was crap?
      - palish 18y ago
        I'll let you know once I finish the other 4,783 pages that DaVinci wrote. It's kept me hooked so far, though. http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/dv/index.htm http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/dv/index.htm
  - tptacek 18y ago
    So just write "tl;dr" and let us get on with it.
- shawnyar217 18y ago
  Maybe a different kind of summary would be helpful for certain people. The article is roughly divided into two parts: Part #1: How this regular guy, a college dropout, an apparently average Joe, can walk into a room full of parents and children and own them, making the children laugh uncontrollably, the mothers secretly want to sleep with him, the fathers impressed by him. Then they gladly PAY him and he earns six figures working only on weekends. At a business he started by pretending to talk to customers on his cell phone. Part #2: How every business is made up of real people, with real personality and real-life problems. And how some people (all people?) who have fantastic qualities can also be deeply flawed in other ways. Part #3: Yes I know I said there were only two parts. The third part is afterwards when you realize this essay that started off as a not-too-serious business article about marketing was in fact an amazing work of art and that it won a PULITZER PRIZE for a reason. Now go read the whole article.
peregrine 18y ago
'This useless fluff piece' I think your getting the wrong idea. A picture of a cat with a caption on it is a usesless fluff piece, a blog post of a video with someone talking about code is a fluff piece. This isn't an article about start ups or code; but this article I'd argue will give you more as a human, as a entrepreneur, as a family member, as a citizen then any article you'd get from d2h or 37signals. This article helps you use your brain in ways that people with engineering degrees have a hard time grasping sometimes. Sure you understand the deep intricacies of x programming language or you've got a really cool app, but it doesn't mean you understand people. Almost every theory of intelligences says that there is more then one way to be a genius, be it in math, art, people, sports anything. And almost all theories will agree that people who are extremely smart in one area and never apply the brain outside of their specialty can be practically retarded in the other parts. I've been thinking a whole bunch about this lately, as I go to an Engineering School and the sentiment is that Art Majors and Athletes and English majors are idiots cause they most likely won't be making money when they graduate. I've been trying to make an argument that even they will agree to and understand, but to ask people to change their mind is like asking a rock to be more like sand.
- ciupicri 18y ago
  The article is just toooooooo long. If want to develop my brain in some other way, I can always read some real literature, instead of newspaper articles. Or I could even visit some art galleries with paintings, sculptures and so on. And even if the article is useful after all, if it's written badly, in a non-interesting way, people won't read it. That's why Joel is so popular. Because his articles are a joy to read. Anyway, if I really wanted to know more about how people think, I would study Psychology (or Sociology) and spend more time with them in real life. Some people just aren't meant for this kind of stuff. The last universal man was Leonardo da Vinci. P.S.: I loved your last sentence.
  - birdman 18y ago
    I really liked it. I read the whole thing in one shot, which isn't like me. I actually started re-reading because I was afraid I may have missed details at the beginning when I wasn't yet aware that it deserved my attention.
mynameishere 18y ago
What's with the downmod party? I've read 100s of feature articles and this one was pretty dull, especially at the beginning. It does get better towards the end, but there's just nothing great about this guy, or his life, or his life-in-words. He seems really pathetic to me. Makes decent money playing a clown, and then throws it away in Atlantic City on gambling (and probably hookers and blow). Eh. Except for the "clown" part, how is he different from a million other losers?

Thanks for the summary. This useless fluff piece lost me after the first page.

by jpcx01 18y ago

Thanks for the summary. This useless fluff piece lost me after the first page.

brandnewlow 18y ago

How can you render judgment if you didn't read past page one?

randallsquared 18y ago
Not reading past page one is a judgment. It's one I make all the time about various articles and stories.
- brandnewlow 18y ago
  Certainly. But then you don't pass judgment on the work as a whole based on the little bit you read.
  - geebee 18y ago
    Perhaps not. But suppose I wrote 5,000 pages of pure stream of consciousness drivel. Would you feel obligated to read every page before deciding the whole thing was crap?
    - palish 18y ago
      I'll let you know once I finish the other 4,783 pages that DaVinci wrote. It's kept me hooked so far, though. http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/dv/index.htm http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/dv/index.htm
- tptacek 18y ago
  So just write "tl;dr" and let us get on with it.
shawnyar217 18y ago
Maybe a different kind of summary would be helpful for certain people. The article is roughly divided into two parts: Part #1: How this regular guy, a college dropout, an apparently average Joe, can walk into a room full of parents and children and own them, making the children laugh uncontrollably, the mothers secretly want to sleep with him, the fathers impressed by him. Then they gladly PAY him and he earns six figures working only on weekends. At a business he started by pretending to talk to customers on his cell phone. Part #2: How every business is made up of real people, with real personality and real-life problems. And how some people (all people?) who have fantastic qualities can also be deeply flawed in other ways. Part #3: Yes I know I said there were only two parts. The third part is afterwards when you realize this essay that started off as a not-too-serious business article about marketing was in fact an amazing work of art and that it won a PULITZER PRIZE for a reason. Now go read the whole article.

peregrine 18y ago

'This useless fluff piece' I think your getting the wrong idea. A picture of a cat with a caption on it is a usesless fluff piece, a blog post of a video with someone talking about code is a fluff piece. This isn't an article about start ups or code; but this article I'd argue will give you more as a human, as a entrepreneur, as a family member, as a citizen then any article you'd get from d2h or 37signals. This article helps you use your brain in ways that people with engineering degrees have a hard time grasping sometimes. Sure you understand the deep intricacies of x programming language or you've got a really cool app, but it doesn't mean you understand people. Almost every theory of intelligences says that there is more then one way to be a genius, be it in math, art, people, sports anything. And almost all theories will agree that people who are extremely smart in one area and never apply the brain outside of their specialty can be practically retarded in the other parts. I've been thinking a whole bunch about this lately, as I go to an Engineering School and the sentiment is that Art Majors and Athletes and English majors are idiots cause they most likely won't be making money when they graduate. I've been trying to make an argument that even they will agree to and understand, but to ask people to change their mind is like asking a rock to be more like sand.

ciupicri 18y ago
The article is just toooooooo long. If want to develop my brain in some other way, I can always read some real literature, instead of newspaper articles. Or I could even visit some art galleries with paintings, sculptures and so on. And even if the article is useful after all, if it's written badly, in a non-interesting way, people won't read it. That's why Joel is so popular. Because his articles are a joy to read. Anyway, if I really wanted to know more about how people think, I would study Psychology (or Sociology) and spend more time with them in real life. Some people just aren't meant for this kind of stuff. The last universal man was Leonardo da Vinci. P.S.: I loved your last sentence.
- birdman 18y ago
  I really liked it. I read the whole thing in one shot, which isn't like me. I actually started re-reading because I was afraid I may have missed details at the beginning when I wasn't yet aware that it deserved my attention.

mynameishere 18y ago

What's with the downmod party? I've read 100s of feature articles and this one was pretty dull, especially at the beginning. It does get better towards the end, but there's just nothing great about this guy, or his life, or his life-in-words. He seems really pathetic to me. Makes decent money playing a clown, and then throws it away in Atlantic City on gambling (and probably hookers and blow). Eh. Except for the "clown" part, how is he different from a million other losers?