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"Why should they be treated equally?" In terms a salesperson would understand: Negotiating Power See how long a company lasts without its engineers. Then make
by ucee054 14y ago
"Why should they be treated equally?"
In terms a salesperson would understand: Negotiating Power
See how long a company lasts without its engineers.
Then make sure to pay the engineers what they want
to prevent that from happening. Or they'll find a job
with someone who will.
Oh yeah, how much engineers want is :
More than the sales spivs
Clear?
- to3m 14y agoI wish I had two upvotes to give, on account of the classy and non-divisive way in which you've made your point.
- orangethirty 14y agoRe: The bubble is warping your POV. Go back in time and see what happened when the last one burst.
- ucee054 14y agoThe last time the bubble burst, a lot of the devs I knew moved into banks and hedge funds. They stayed employed through 2007-now, and two of them are running their own portfolios now. And demand for Quants with C++ is hotter than ever right now, because there's huge demand for risk management after the Credit Crunch. Your point was?
- orangethirty 14y agoYour point was? My point is that you (like many others) seem to think the gravy train will last forever. It won't.
- ucee054 14y agoWell no, there is no gravy train. And there will not be as long as technical people internalize the low value that people like you put on them. Instead they should ignore people like you. It's not like your sales "superstars" are a rare breed. Every unemployable schlub from humanities can apply for a sales position. But a dev is a rare breed: you have to suffer through years of math and C++ to become a dev. The ROI isn't worth it if devs play and get treated like glorified janitors. They can get a job for somebody who will pay, like a hedge fund, or they can start their own businesses, or they can change field to something where they are rewarded for their talents - financial engineering is an example, IP law is another. But playing by your rules is a losing game. The only way to win is to walk away.
- orangethirty 14y agoI'm a software engineer.
- ucee054 14y agoWhere did I say you weren't? I said you have twisted values and ridiculous expectations, which you do.
- damoncali 14y ago"Why should they be treated equally?" In terms a engineer would understand: Negotiating Power See how long a company lasts without its salespeople. Then make sure to pay the salespeople what they want to prevent that from happening. Or they'll find a job with someone who will. Oh yeah, how much salespeople want is : More than the propeller heads. Clear?