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> more likely outright journalistic malpractice That is a heavy charge and the evidence just doesn't support throwing it around so haphazardly. Musk's jumping

by lukeman 14y ago

> more likely outright journalistic malpractice That is a heavy charge and the evidence just doesn't support throwing it around so haphazardly. Musk's jumping to that conclusion did this entire discussion a disservice. Remember, Musk stated as fact that Broder "drove around in circles" for 0.6 miles trying to run the batteries out. His casual accusation on just that point alone makes it hard to take the rest of his analysis (of his company-provided data) without a grain of salt.

codex 14y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Musk were sued for libel on this point. Were he a journalist, I suppose what he had done could be called journalistic malpractice.
albedoa 14y ago
Remember, Musk stated as fact that Broder "drove around in circles" for 0.6 miles trying to run the batteries out. His casual accusation on just that point alone makes it hard to take the rest of his analysis (of his company-provided data) without a grain of salt. I'm posting these without commentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fO_OHpyYw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fO_OHpyYw http://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip/status/302958514245087233 http://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip/status/302958514245087233
- uvdiv 14y ago
  That backs up Broder completely! Look how inconspicious those chargers are. He said he couldn't find them because they were unlit at night, and this video lends that enormous credibility. Broder: While Mr. Musk has accused me of doing this to drain the battery, I was in fact driving around the Milford service plaza on Interstate 95, in the dark, trying to find the unlighted and poorly marked Tesla Supercharger. That someone found the charger faster than him is neither here nor there (it's irrelevant to the review he wrote). His story stands, and Musk's accusations look increasingly like complete libel.
- lukeman 14y ago
  Since you posted those without commentary it's not clear what I'm supposed to take from that video of someone who was able to find the charger right away. Again, accusing a journalist of maliciously fabricating anything is a huge deal. It is not something that is taken lightly, and if there's is an inkling of truth to it the folks at the NYT will deal with it and we will know about it.
  - albedoa 14y ago
    Since you posted those without commentary it's not clear what I'm supposed to take from that video of someone who was able to find the charger right away. Well good, I posted them without commentary for that reason specifically. The goal was to allow you to guide your own thinking.
- taligent 14y ago
  They were incredibly hard to see and I can easily see myself driving in circles to find them.
- Hates_ 14y ago
  The video is of someone driving directly to it. The driver ignores the first right in favour of the second then takes an immediate left and right to where the the charger is. The video makes it seem as if the charger is easy to find, but only if you know where it is already. I can't see how anyone who has never visited that station before would be able to make the same bee-line for the charger without circling the parking lot at least once.
kjeldsendk 14y ago
The journalist that did the "original" review was not able to charge his car to 100% I bet that when he charges everything else he understands how it works. It's just not good enough to write a review based on wrong assumptions, especially if you already have a history of not "liking" ev's. Imagine getting up in the morning, you check your phone, 25% ohh well i am not going to talk a lot to day so says my crystal ball. How many would do that? The NY journalist did his first drive in the Tesla S, and decided to base his drive on his experience, which was zero. Normal people, and other reviewers knew better, better charge to the max when i am actually testing the limits of the car. Not the limits of the reviewers knowledge. If he had done as he should he would still have been able to write all the negative parts, the drop over night the limits because of the cold etc. it might have been a worthwhile article, like this one.

by lukeman 14y ago

codex 14y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Musk were sued for libel on this point. Were he a journalist, I suppose what he had done could be called journalistic malpractice.

albedoa 14y ago

Remember, Musk stated as fact that Broder "drove around in circles" for 0.6 miles trying to run the batteries out. His casual accusation on just that point alone makes it hard to take the rest of his analysis (of his company-provided data) without a grain of salt. I'm posting these without commentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fO_OHpyYw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fO_OHpyYw http://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip/status/302958514245087233 http://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip/status/302958514245087233

uvdiv 14y ago
That backs up Broder completely! Look how inconspicious those chargers are. He said he couldn't find them because they were unlit at night, and this video lends that enormous credibility. Broder: While Mr. Musk has accused me of doing this to drain the battery, I was in fact driving around the Milford service plaza on Interstate 95, in the dark, trying to find the unlighted and poorly marked Tesla Supercharger. That someone found the charger faster than him is neither here nor there (it's irrelevant to the review he wrote). His story stands, and Musk's accusations look increasingly like complete libel.
lukeman 14y ago
Since you posted those without commentary it's not clear what I'm supposed to take from that video of someone who was able to find the charger right away. Again, accusing a journalist of maliciously fabricating anything is a huge deal. It is not something that is taken lightly, and if there's is an inkling of truth to it the folks at the NYT will deal with it and we will know about it.
- albedoa 14y ago
  Since you posted those without commentary it's not clear what I'm supposed to take from that video of someone who was able to find the charger right away. Well good, I posted them without commentary for that reason specifically. The goal was to allow you to guide your own thinking.
taligent 14y ago
They were incredibly hard to see and I can easily see myself driving in circles to find them.
Hates_ 14y ago
The video is of someone driving directly to it. The driver ignores the first right in favour of the second then takes an immediate left and right to where the the charger is. The video makes it seem as if the charger is easy to find, but only if you know where it is already. I can't see how anyone who has never visited that station before would be able to make the same bee-line for the charger without circling the parking lot at least once.

kjeldsendk 14y ago

The journalist that did the "original" review was not able to charge his car to 100% I bet that when he charges everything else he understands how it works. It's just not good enough to write a review based on wrong assumptions, especially if you already have a history of not "liking" ev's. Imagine getting up in the morning, you check your phone, 25% ohh well i am not going to talk a lot to day so says my crystal ball. How many would do that? The NY journalist did his first drive in the Tesla S, and decided to base his drive on his experience, which was zero. Normal people, and other reviewers knew better, better charge to the max when i am actually testing the limits of the car. Not the limits of the reviewers knowledge. If he had done as he should he would still have been able to write all the negative parts, the drop over night the limits because of the cold etc. it might have been a worthwhile article, like this one.