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The issue wasn't with the battery having less capacity when cold. The issue was with Broder's lies.

by rorrr 14y ago

Kylekramer 14y ago
Pretty much every "lie" Broder has been accused of making can easily be chalked up to the imperfect nature of human memory. His article has problems and certainly could have done with a bit more accuracy especially given that Musk/Tesla were known to be proactive about reviewers' truthfulness, but I am not comfortable characterizing any of it as a "lie". I'd love to hear any concrete example of him lying though.
- etherael 14y ago
  "I cannot account for the discrepancy, nor for a later stretch in Connecticut where I recall driving about 45 m.p.h., but it may be the result of the car being delivered with 19-inch wheels and all-season tires, not the specified 21-inch wheels and summer tires." Sure he can.
  - vacri 14y ago
    If you look at Musk's graphs where the caption says "At no point did broder drive at 45mph" with an arrow pointing to a 50mph segment, the immediately previous (yet short) segment was at 45 mph. There are a few other places where Musk uses quite a bit of poetic license in interpreting the logs, too. I can't say whether or not Broder's notes would have corresponded to this particular segment, but there was indeed a point where he was travelling at 45mph.
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
  He gave precise numbers that were incorrect, often by a significant margin. He claimed these were from his notes. Rather than an error of memory, I think it's far, far more likely he just made them up to create an illusion of accuracy that he simply did not do the work to record.
  - taligent 14y ago
    > Rather than an error of memory, I think it's far, far more likely he just made them up And it's impossible to tell either way. So clearly the over the top attitude of Musk was unwarranted.
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  - kybernetikos 14y ago
    You're talking about how long he charged for? You're prepared to take Musk's interpretation of his logs (which we know were wrong about whether the car would move or not - the flat bed operator corroborates Broder) over Broders notes. I'm familiar enough with logs telling you things different to what you expected to not think it's all that cut and dried. In fact, our QAs use stop watches and keep notes, and we trust those over what the software thinks is happening for certain kinds of issues.
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The issue wasn't with the battery having less capacity when cold. The issue was with Broder's lies.

by rorrr 14y ago

The issue wasn't with the battery having less capacity when cold. The issue was with Broder's lies.

Pretty much every "lie" Broder has been accused of making can easily be chalked up to the imperfect nature of human memory. His article has problems and certainly could have done with a bit more accuracy especially given that Musk/Tesla were known to be proactive about reviewers' truthfulness, but I am not comfortable characterizing any of it as a "lie". I'd love to hear any concrete example of him lying though.

etherael 14y ago
"I cannot account for the discrepancy, nor for a later stretch in Connecticut where I recall driving about 45 m.p.h., but it may be the result of the car being delivered with 19-inch wheels and all-season tires, not the specified 21-inch wheels and summer tires." Sure he can.
- vacri 14y ago
  If you look at Musk's graphs where the caption says "At no point did broder drive at 45mph" with an arrow pointing to a 50mph segment, the immediately previous (yet short) segment was at 45 mph. There are a few other places where Musk uses quite a bit of poetic license in interpreting the logs, too. I can't say whether or not Broder's notes would have corresponded to this particular segment, but there was indeed a point where he was travelling at 45mph.
waterlesscloud 14y ago
He gave precise numbers that were incorrect, often by a significant margin. He claimed these were from his notes. Rather than an error of memory, I think it's far, far more likely he just made them up to create an illusion of accuracy that he simply did not do the work to record.
- taligent 14y ago
  > Rather than an error of memory, I think it's far, far more likely he just made them up And it's impossible to tell either way. So clearly the over the top attitude of Musk was unwarranted.
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- kybernetikos 14y ago
  You're talking about how long he charged for? You're prepared to take Musk's interpretation of his logs (which we know were wrong about whether the car would move or not - the flat bed operator corroborates Broder) over Broders notes. I'm familiar enough with logs telling you things different to what you expected to not think it's all that cut and dried. In fact, our QAs use stop watches and keep notes, and we trust those over what the software thinks is happening for certain kinds of issues.
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