As a relative beginner - "It's a very different approach when compared to using jQuery for everything" — is a bit misleading. They're both very different to jQu

As a relative beginner - "It's a very different approach when compared to using jQuery for everything" — is a bit misleading. They're both very different to jQuery (or Backbone/Spine - which are beautifully simple). Totally anecdotal: - Backbone I learnt straight away and have been progressively writing better code for around a year. It gives you enough rope to hang yourself but you can usually see what you've done and refactor. Which is nice. - Ember I've been trying to learn a couple of times for the past year. Keep trying. Find a tutorial. It's out of date. Get frustrated. Try again. Find another one. It's poorly written. Try Again. Find another one. Can't get something to work and Ember is too much of a blackbox to debug. Give up. The docs on the site are getting better (but still suck) - the PeepCode tutorial was great (not the Play By Play with Yehuda; don't waste your money on that) - but it still only did relatively trivial things. Would be great if PeepCode did a Play By Play with a Rails API and relational data etc. - Angular scared me for ages too - the docs, as with Ember, are written by people who know how to use the framework for people who know how to use it already. Then Egghead.io happened. Wow. The concepts actually aren't that hard! I think what the community sorely needs is a good Ember teacher - one that isn't patronising or aimed at computer scientists!