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Corporal punishment of petty crimes == fascism. Is that your thesis? I believe you to be quite misinformed in your understanding of fascism, freedom, and every

by venus 14y ago

Corporal punishment of petty crimes == fascism. Is that your thesis? I believe you to be quite misinformed in your understanding of fascism, freedom, and everything else. As far as I can see, the only "freedom" on offer in the society you hint at is the freedom to not be punished effectively for your crimes. Please, Americans: if you have to mention the word "freedom" in your argument then you are probably talking shit. Think about it.

jlgreco 14y ago
Are you familiar with Sinclair? I've long been a fan of his definition of the term. As he puts it, fascism is one part capitalism and one part brutality (if I recall correctly I believe he specifies murder, but I think the relation and general sentiment is clear.)
homosaur 14y ago
I was hoping after editing this reply like 5 times, you were going to come up with something here... So you only address the punishment issue, but you don't say a thing about the sham elections. And yes, I'd prefer to step in gum once a year than have some 20 year old kid get beaten because they didn't conform to my narrow societal goals. This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged.
- venus 14y ago
  Sham elections? What are you talking about? Corporal punishment and sham elections go hand in hand? And have it your way. I'd prefer to ride in clean, non-vandalised trains, and the 20 year old would-be vandal was beaten after their first indiscretion, and never did it again. Seems to be it's less an unbridgeable chasm between east and west, and more a chasm between lazy Berkeley ideology and pragmatism.
  - homosaur 14y ago
    Since you're resorting to catty little twat comments, this discussion is over. Just so you know, I come from dirt farmer immigrants in the Midwest, but keep assuming stuff. It's cute when people like you try to claim some sort of superiority due to your VASTLY superior logic. TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
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      - homosaur 14y ago
        Such amazing, relevant points being driven home in this. When is your book coming out? Can I write the foreword? Also, nice homophobia, "foreigner." I lived for a year and a half in Taiwan, so I've maaaaaaaybe had more experience than you think. P.S. Elitism is an ism too. You may learn that if you grow up at some point.
- jasonlingx 14y ago
  > This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged. The US kills its own citizens without trial using hellfire missiles in drone strikes. So what's the difference?
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    If the US is fucked up, that makes it okay for others to be fucked up as well? Surely you don't mean that, so I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
    - jasonlingx 14y ago
      I was responding to his statement "This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged."
  - homosaur 14y ago
    If you're looking for me to defend the U.S., you're going to be looking for a very, very, very long time. I'm as anti-drone, anti-police state as you will ever find a US citizen. BUUUUUT, I will bite on one thing. How many Americans have been killed by drones? A handful? How many of those were actively fighting for terrorist organizations? All of them. Now I do think it's only a matter of time before the US turns that power inwards and starts flying drones over the US. The NYPD already has drones and no one is quite sure whether they're able/willing to equip them with "non-lethal" weapons very soon, but it hasn't happened yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore This guy above me loves the fact that people are executed for marijuana possession, which is almost completely harmless physically, of negligible harm to society, and largely beneficial to health if not abused. LOVES IT.
    - amvp 14y ago
      > How many Americans have been killed by drones? A handful? How many of those were actively fighting for terrorist organizations? All of them. (American born) Anwar al-Awlaki's 16-year old son was killed in a separate drone strike, 2 weeks after his father was killed. No suggestion was made that the son was guilty of anything, but that 'he should have had a more responsible father'.
anigbrowl 14y ago
Petty crimes such as vandalism and littering are offenses against property. corporal punishment is an attack upon the person. Most people don't consider injury to property to justify injury to the person.
- homosaur 14y ago
  Large parts of the East consider injury to property, especially "public" property the same as an injury to society. Like apparently the fellow I'm debating with up here.
bluedanieru 14y ago
Okay okay, we get it, you're an autocrat. You love power and the powerful. You wrap your lips around the cock of the state. Nice work.

by venus 14y ago

jlgreco 14y ago

Are you familiar with Sinclair? I've long been a fan of his definition of the term. As he puts it, fascism is one part capitalism and one part brutality (if I recall correctly I believe he specifies murder, but I think the relation and general sentiment is clear.)

homosaur 14y ago

I was hoping after editing this reply like 5 times, you were going to come up with something here... So you only address the punishment issue, but you don't say a thing about the sham elections. And yes, I'd prefer to step in gum once a year than have some 20 year old kid get beaten because they didn't conform to my narrow societal goals. This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged.

venus 14y ago
Sham elections? What are you talking about? Corporal punishment and sham elections go hand in hand? And have it your way. I'd prefer to ride in clean, non-vandalised trains, and the 20 year old would-be vandal was beaten after their first indiscretion, and never did it again. Seems to be it's less an unbridgeable chasm between east and west, and more a chasm between lazy Berkeley ideology and pragmatism.
- homosaur 14y ago
  Since you're resorting to catty little twat comments, this discussion is over. Just so you know, I come from dirt farmer immigrants in the Midwest, but keep assuming stuff. It's cute when people like you try to claim some sort of superiority due to your VASTLY superior logic. TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
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    - homosaur 14y ago
      Such amazing, relevant points being driven home in this. When is your book coming out? Can I write the foreword? Also, nice homophobia, "foreigner." I lived for a year and a half in Taiwan, so I've maaaaaaaybe had more experience than you think. P.S. Elitism is an ism too. You may learn that if you grow up at some point.
jasonlingx 14y ago
> This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged. The US kills its own citizens without trial using hellfire missiles in drone strikes. So what's the difference?
- jlgreco 14y ago
  If the US is fucked up, that makes it okay for others to be fucked up as well? Surely you don't mean that, so I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
  - jasonlingx 14y ago
    I was responding to his statement "This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged."
- homosaur 14y ago
  If you're looking for me to defend the U.S., you're going to be looking for a very, very, very long time. I'm as anti-drone, anti-police state as you will ever find a US citizen. BUUUUUT, I will bite on one thing. How many Americans have been killed by drones? A handful? How many of those were actively fighting for terrorist organizations? All of them. Now I do think it's only a matter of time before the US turns that power inwards and starts flying drones over the US. The NYPD already has drones and no one is quite sure whether they're able/willing to equip them with "non-lethal" weapons very soon, but it hasn't happened yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore This guy above me loves the fact that people are executed for marijuana possession, which is almost completely harmless physically, of negligible harm to society, and largely beneficial to health if not abused. LOVES IT.
  - amvp 14y ago
    > How many Americans have been killed by drones? A handful? How many of those were actively fighting for terrorist organizations? All of them. (American born) Anwar al-Awlaki's 16-year old son was killed in a separate drone strike, 2 weeks after his father was killed. No suggestion was made that the son was guilty of anything, but that 'he should have had a more responsible father'.

anigbrowl 14y ago

Petty crimes such as vandalism and littering are offenses against property. corporal punishment is an attack upon the person. Most people don't consider injury to property to justify injury to the person.

homosaur 14y ago
Large parts of the East consider injury to property, especially "public" property the same as an injury to society. Like apparently the fellow I'm debating with up here.

bluedanieru 14y ago

Okay okay, we get it, you're an autocrat. You love power and the powerful. You wrap your lips around the cock of the state. Nice work.