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> You are essentially subject to all manner of ridiculous punishment for what would be considered minor or non-offenses in most free countries Like vandalism a
by venus 14y ago
> You are essentially subject to all manner of ridiculous punishment for what would be considered minor or non-offenses in most free countries
Like vandalism and petty theft. And just look at how successful those "free countries" have been in addressing those categories of crime!
What you call "ridiculous" is simply what you have been conditioned to think, no more. Elsewhere in the world it might be called "effective".
- homosaur 14y agoFascism is very effective. It's about values and freedom. If you don't care about that, safety is easy.
- venus 14y agoCorporal punishment of petty crimes == fascism. Is that your thesis? I believe you to be quite misinformed in your understanding of fascism, freedom, and everything else. As far as I can see, the only "freedom" on offer in the society you hint at is the freedom to not be punished effectively for your crimes. Please, Americans: if you have to mention the word "freedom" in your argument then you are probably talking shit. Think about it.
- jlgreco 14y agoAre you familiar with Sinclair? I've long been a fan of his definition of the term. As he puts it, fascism is one part capitalism and one part brutality (if I recall correctly I believe he specifies murder, but I think the relation and general sentiment is clear.)
- homosaur 14y agoI was hoping after editing this reply like 5 times, you were going to come up with something here... So you only address the punishment issue, but you don't say a thing about the sham elections. And yes, I'd prefer to step in gum once a year than have some 20 year old kid get beaten because they didn't conform to my narrow societal goals. This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged.
- venus 14y agoSham elections? What are you talking about? Corporal punishment and sham elections go hand in hand? And have it your way. I'd prefer to ride in clean, non-vandalised trains, and the 20 year old would-be vandal was beaten after their first indiscretion, and never did it again. Seems to be it's less an unbridgeable chasm between east and west, and more a chasm between lazy Berkeley ideology and pragmatism.
- homosaur 14y agoSince you're resorting to catty little twat comments, this discussion is over. Just so you know, I come from dirt farmer immigrants in the Midwest, but keep assuming stuff. It's cute when people like you try to claim some sort of superiority due to your VASTLY superior logic. TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
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- homosaur 14y agoSuch amazing, relevant points being driven home in this. When is your book coming out? Can I write the foreword? Also, nice homophobia, "foreigner." I lived for a year and a half in Taiwan, so I've maaaaaaaybe had more experience than you think. P.S. Elitism is an ism too. You may learn that if you grow up at some point.
- jasonlingx 14y ago> This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged. The US kills its own citizens without trial using hellfire missiles in drone strikes. So what's the difference?
- jlgreco 14y agoIf the US is fucked up, that makes it okay for others to be fucked up as well? Surely you don't mean that, so I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
- anigbrowl 14y agoPetty crimes such as vandalism and littering are offenses against property. corporal punishment is an attack upon the person. Most people don't consider injury to property to justify injury to the person.
- homosaur 14y agoLarge parts of the East consider injury to property, especially "public" property the same as an injury to society. Like apparently the fellow I'm debating with up here.
- bluedanieru 14y agoOkay okay, we get it, you're an autocrat. You love power and the powerful. You wrap your lips around the cock of the state. Nice work.
- jleader 14y agoI don't know much about Singapore, but I think it's worth pointing out that while sometimes Facism can be effective, more commonly Facism claims to be very effective, and punishes those who publicly say otherwise.
- lostlogin 14y agoLike every political system. I suppose that the way I see it is that a fascist systems punishes in a way that is worse than the character assassination and innuendo that western democracy offers.
- jacques_chester 14y ago> And just look at how successful those "free countries" have been in addressing those categories of crime! The crime rate in Western countries, including the US, has been falling steadily since the 90s. Given the differences in cultures and legal frameworks ... nobody is really certain why.
- vellum 14y agoOne theory that's been gaining some attention is less lead = less crime. http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-li...
- jacques_chester 14y agoThat's one I've seen. But there are quite a few -- long period of economic growth, the rise of video games, changing diets, changing weather, changing incarceration rates, changing police policy ...