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Great - until that one gets acquired or acqui-hired by Facebook|MS|Google... I wish there were some open source resource sharing protocol a bit more high-level

by iSnow 14y ago

Great - until that one gets acquired or acqui-hired by Facebook|MS|Google... I wish there were some open source resource sharing protocol a bit more high-level than HTTP.

bradgessler 14y ago
There is a pledge: Our pledge to you... We'll never be acquired. We'll always keep your URL's online. We'll always keep it the best place to post. And they charge $5 per month, so the sustainability is more clear. I've talked to Garry and Brett about Post Haven and they are genuinely committed to making this work as they pledge on the website.
- zimpenfish 14y ago
  Instead of a pledge, what about something more concrete and legally binding in the contract?
  - mesozoic 14y ago
    Or endow a non-profit with sufficient funds to ensure perpetually running no matter the number of subscriptions.
    - garry 14y ago
      This is almost certainly what will come down the road. How else can we make sure Posthaven stays online past our lifetimes?
- mirsadm 14y ago
  Personally I'd be worried about making such claims. It's all great until someone knocks on the door with a bag of cash.
  - fakeer 14y ago
    Yes, and that very moment all such pledge go down the gutter. Just look at the examples. WebFaction works just fine for me and so does Jekyll.
- jmathai 14y ago
  I can't get to the site so I'm not sure what the details are but if the following aren't in place then those are empty promises. - Open source the code - Allow users to supply their own domain - An API (not "coming soon...") If all those are in place then great :) [edit] Looks like the site doesn't support any of the 3 - facepalm
  - garry 14y ago
    Both 2 and 3 are certainly in the plans. How could we not have an API? And custom domains? Brett and I have discussed #1 and it's an option we want to keep on the table. First priority is to build and create a great hosted experience, however.
    - jmathai 14y ago
      That's good to hear. You would be surprised how many services (even new) don't have public APis. I didn't see it mentioned on the site which is why I assumed it didn't exist. By custom domains I mean user supplied top level domains. Definitely have a read on how we view URL permanence [1]. I wish more sites thought about it and glad you already are. [1] http://blog.theopenphotoproject.org/post/10537443380/namespacing-the-web-for-your-photos http://blog.theopenphotoproject.org/post/10537443380/namespa...
    - photorized 14y ago
      Multiple domains names per blog, too?
      - jmathai 14y ago
        Out of curiosity, what's the use case for this?
- lkrubner 14y ago
  About this: >And they charge $5 per month, so >the sustainability is more clear. In 1996, Geocities began offering a deal: pay $4.95 a month and no ads will be shown on your site, and you get to use your own domain for your website. I signed up immediately. 3 year later, Geocities was acquired by Yahoo. 10 years later, Geocities was closed: http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php There is nothing really permanent about any of these services. Ma Bell may have offered a reliable phone service for almost 100 years, but in the era of the Internet the half-life of consumer sites tends to be much shorter.
  - bcoates 14y ago
    Aren't those Geocities Plus sites still up? https://www.google.com/search?q=site:geocities.com https://www.google.com/search?q=site:geocities.com
  - jacquesm 14y ago
    Chances are I have your site on http://reocities.com/ http://reocities.com/ just append your old homestead and it should pop up. There are many others besides that did stuff like this so check out the archive team, archive.org and so on.
garry 14y ago
Like Brad said -- this one is not to be sold. We'll charge money and keep the lights on no matter what. We want to provide this service like a basic utility like water and power, because that's what having a voice on the Internet should be.
- fotbr 14y ago
  Why should I trust that this will last longer, given the same people are involved? The fact that you charge $5 / month? What do I get for $5 / month versus, say, my own VPS running whatever blog software I choose for the same money (or less)?
  - chrischen 14y ago
    Well for one you wouldn't have to maintain the VPS or blog software...
    - fotbr 14y ago
      Instead, though, you have to deal with moving all your content, repeatedly, as your chosen "forever" or "lifetime" company goes under, folds up, gets sold and shuttered, changes terms of use and claims rights to your content, or any of the other bad things we've all seen over the years. Vigilance is going to be required whichever solution you choose, but having said that, a properly set up, locked down server based on a stable server-oriented OS distro, is going to require very little maintenance, if you subscribe to the old ways. Don't fix it if it isn't broken, and keep installed software to the absolute bare minimum required. Analyze upgrades to see if they're actually necessary (the answer is usually "no"). Pick your blog software carefully, from projects with proven track records for stability and security, and apply the same practices of keeping modules and add-ons down to the bare minimum, and you'll find there really is not much you have to keep up with.
      - chrischen 14y ago
        The same thing could be said for any VPS provider.
unimpressive 14y ago
Design one.
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  or even better, help these guys out: http://friendica.com/ http://friendica.com/
danielsiders 14y ago
This is what we're building with Tent (https://tent.io https://tent.io). The idea is since you can always host your own Tent server, it doesn't matter if your hosting provider shuts down. You can migrate your data to another server and change your entity (global user identifier) as part of the protocol, so there's no messy "please update your address books" (that part happens automatically. Data is stored as posts and post types are developer extensible (posts are JSON and binary attachments), so if your favorite app is discontinued, another developer can make a great app that interacts with the same post types. We're working on a Tent app that imports Posterous posts right now.

by iSnow 14y ago

Great - until that one gets acquired or acqui-hired by Facebook|MS|Google... I wish there were some open source resource sharing protocol a bit more high-level than HTTP.

bradgessler 14y ago

There is a pledge: Our pledge to you... We'll never be acquired. We'll always keep your URL's online. We'll always keep it the best place to post. And they charge $5 per month, so the sustainability is more clear. I've talked to Garry and Brett about Post Haven and they are genuinely committed to making this work as they pledge on the website.

zimpenfish 14y ago
Instead of a pledge, what about something more concrete and legally binding in the contract?
- mesozoic 14y ago
  Or endow a non-profit with sufficient funds to ensure perpetually running no matter the number of subscriptions.
  - garry 14y ago
    This is almost certainly what will come down the road. How else can we make sure Posthaven stays online past our lifetimes?
mirsadm 14y ago
Personally I'd be worried about making such claims. It's all great until someone knocks on the door with a bag of cash.
- fakeer 14y ago
  Yes, and that very moment all such pledge go down the gutter. Just look at the examples. WebFaction works just fine for me and so does Jekyll.
jmathai 14y ago
I can't get to the site so I'm not sure what the details are but if the following aren't in place then those are empty promises. - Open source the code - Allow users to supply their own domain - An API (not "coming soon...") If all those are in place then great :) [edit] Looks like the site doesn't support any of the 3 - facepalm
- garry 14y ago
  Both 2 and 3 are certainly in the plans. How could we not have an API? And custom domains? Brett and I have discussed #1 and it's an option we want to keep on the table. First priority is to build and create a great hosted experience, however.
  - jmathai 14y ago
    That's good to hear. You would be surprised how many services (even new) don't have public APis. I didn't see it mentioned on the site which is why I assumed it didn't exist. By custom domains I mean user supplied top level domains. Definitely have a read on how we view URL permanence [1]. I wish more sites thought about it and glad you already are. [1] http://blog.theopenphotoproject.org/post/10537443380/namespacing-the-web-for-your-photos http://blog.theopenphotoproject.org/post/10537443380/namespa...
  - photorized 14y ago
    Multiple domains names per blog, too?
    - jmathai 14y ago
      Out of curiosity, what's the use case for this?
lkrubner 14y ago
About this: >And they charge $5 per month, so >the sustainability is more clear. In 1996, Geocities began offering a deal: pay $4.95 a month and no ads will be shown on your site, and you get to use your own domain for your website. I signed up immediately. 3 year later, Geocities was acquired by Yahoo. 10 years later, Geocities was closed: http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php There is nothing really permanent about any of these services. Ma Bell may have offered a reliable phone service for almost 100 years, but in the era of the Internet the half-life of consumer sites tends to be much shorter.
- bcoates 14y ago
  Aren't those Geocities Plus sites still up? https://www.google.com/search?q=site:geocities.com https://www.google.com/search?q=site:geocities.com
- jacquesm 14y ago
  Chances are I have your site on http://reocities.com/ http://reocities.com/ just append your old homestead and it should pop up. There are many others besides that did stuff like this so check out the archive team, archive.org and so on.

garry 14y ago

Like Brad said -- this one is not to be sold. We'll charge money and keep the lights on no matter what. We want to provide this service like a basic utility like water and power, because that's what having a voice on the Internet should be.

fotbr 14y ago
Why should I trust that this will last longer, given the same people are involved? The fact that you charge $5 / month? What do I get for $5 / month versus, say, my own VPS running whatever blog software I choose for the same money (or less)?
- chrischen 14y ago
  Well for one you wouldn't have to maintain the VPS or blog software...
  - fotbr 14y ago
    Instead, though, you have to deal with moving all your content, repeatedly, as your chosen "forever" or "lifetime" company goes under, folds up, gets sold and shuttered, changes terms of use and claims rights to your content, or any of the other bad things we've all seen over the years. Vigilance is going to be required whichever solution you choose, but having said that, a properly set up, locked down server based on a stable server-oriented OS distro, is going to require very little maintenance, if you subscribe to the old ways. Don't fix it if it isn't broken, and keep installed software to the absolute bare minimum required. Analyze upgrades to see if they're actually necessary (the answer is usually "no"). Pick your blog software carefully, from projects with proven track records for stability and security, and apply the same practices of keeping modules and add-ons down to the bare minimum, and you'll find there really is not much you have to keep up with.
    - chrischen 14y ago
      The same thing could be said for any VPS provider.

unimpressive 14y ago

Design one.

PavlovsCat 14y ago
or even better, help these guys out: http://friendica.com/ http://friendica.com/

danielsiders 14y ago

This is what we're building with Tent (https://tent.io https://tent.io). The idea is since you can always host your own Tent server, it doesn't matter if your hosting provider shuts down. You can migrate your data to another server and change your entity (global user identifier) as part of the protocol, so there's no messy "please update your address books" (that part happens automatically. Data is stored as posts and post types are developer extensible (posts are JSON and binary attachments), so if your favorite app is discontinued, another developer can make a great app that interacts with the same post types. We're working on a Tent app that imports Posterous posts right now.