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I'm sitting in front of a 1500 watt radiant heater, it seems implausible that 1500 watts isn't enough power to keep a car sized battery pack in an enclosed spac

by jws 14y ago

I'm sitting in front of a 1500 watt radiant heater, it seems implausible that 1500 watts isn't enough power to keep a car sized battery pack in an enclosed space warmed to operating temperature. For an idea what 1500 watts will do, I keep a 400 square foot room with only an R8 (US) ceiling and unheated space below at a 20°F differential to outside with this heater. It can't keep up when it gets too cold out, but my room has about 200 times the surface area of a Tesla battery pack. Edit: maybe more than 20°F. I just shut it off for the day at °85F inside and 37°F out, so 48°F difference, but it is sunny, so the roof and two walls are warmer than 37°F. Data collection is hard. If only I worked in a uniform spherical room located in empty space…

TylerE 14y ago
Of course, for every hour of operation of the heater, you're using up about 1.5% of the battery capacity.
- jws 14y ago
  I'm rather thinking of being plugged in. 1500 watts is about all you can plan on drawing without blowing a breaker. The context, if I understood correctly, was that plugging in to a 120v household outlet was a net loss because 1500 watts was insufficient to warm the batteries to charging temperature and that presumably some numbskull in Tesla's software group decided to run the heaters even if it resulted in a net loss of power. The explanation of the anecdotes is probably complicated, but I believe that the Tesla chargers monitor the voltage at the input to the car and reduce their current draw to keep a minimum voltage. So if your 120v transformer is a little on the low side (they vary) and maybe you used that 100' 16g extension cord you had handy, and maybe your house was wired when aluminum house wiring seemed like a good idea and that outlet has a bit more resistance between the wire and the terminal screw, you might be getting a lot less than 1500 watts. There could well be a point in the charging curves where there is a problem, but I don't think it is because 1500 watts isn't enough.
  - TylerE 14y ago
    If you're plugged in, just charge the battery.
iyulaev 14y ago
I think the number I heard for heating the battery was 1.3kW. The model S battery is long and flat and hence has lots of exposed surface to lose heat. Also, it was in the teens when the original reporter left his car outside. So, is plausable.

by jws 14y ago

TylerE 14y ago

Of course, for every hour of operation of the heater, you're using up about 1.5% of the battery capacity.

jws 14y ago
I'm rather thinking of being plugged in. 1500 watts is about all you can plan on drawing without blowing a breaker. The context, if I understood correctly, was that plugging in to a 120v household outlet was a net loss because 1500 watts was insufficient to warm the batteries to charging temperature and that presumably some numbskull in Tesla's software group decided to run the heaters even if it resulted in a net loss of power. The explanation of the anecdotes is probably complicated, but I believe that the Tesla chargers monitor the voltage at the input to the car and reduce their current draw to keep a minimum voltage. So if your 120v transformer is a little on the low side (they vary) and maybe you used that 100' 16g extension cord you had handy, and maybe your house was wired when aluminum house wiring seemed like a good idea and that outlet has a bit more resistance between the wire and the terminal screw, you might be getting a lot less than 1500 watts. There could well be a point in the charging curves where there is a problem, but I don't think it is because 1500 watts isn't enough.
- TylerE 14y ago
  If you're plugged in, just charge the battery.

iyulaev 14y ago

I think the number I heard for heating the battery was 1.3kW. The model S battery is long and flat and hence has lots of exposed surface to lose heat. Also, it was in the teens when the original reporter left his car outside. So, is plausable.