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IE does MS bidding. Chrome does Google's bidding. So, I hope Firefox stays and I hope that the $1 billion Google gave them doesn't change their priorities.

fpgeek 14y ago
Just because Google gave them $1 billion doesn't mean it impacts their priorities (see: Apple and the rumored billions Google gives them for being the iOS search engine placement). It also matters what other offers are on the table. I bet Microsoft would be willing to pay plenty for Bing placement in Firefox. Both Mozilla and Microsoft clearly considered the possibility seriously (remember Firefox with Bing?). Also remember that, initially, Firefox's Google contract expired without being renewed. Instead, the renewal came a few weeks later. At the time there was plenty of speculation that Google was letting Mozilla twist in the wind. Considering how much Google came back with, it certainly looks like any twisting went in the other direction.
- OGinparadise 14y ago
  That's why I said I hope, money does have a way to corrupt things. Sometime it starts as a noble thing: "let's do this one thing because it's a necessary evil..." (see: Apple and the rumored billions Google gives them for being the iOS search engine placement) Yeah but Google is trying, hoping and praying to destroy Apple's 50-Billion-in-profit business.
  - graue 14y ago
    I disagree with your last statement. The most convincing explanation I've seen of Google's motivations with Android is that Android is a hedge in case Google is locked out of other platforms. They make money from people using Google services, regardless of whether the services are used from an iPhone, iPad, or Android device. Google and Apple certainly compete in many areas, but Google isn't trying to "destroy" Apple's business, nor is that even realistic.
drhowarddrfine 14y ago
Remember that Chrome is not webkit and webkit is not Chrome. Chrome is a browser that uses webkit.
tedmielczarek 14y ago
I'm pretty sure we don't get anywhere near a billion dollars from Google. I haven't paid attention to our financials in a while, but the most recent public financial documents from 2011 say "Mozilla’s consolidated reported revenue (Mozilla Foundation and all subsidiaries) for 2011 was $163M (US), up approximately 33 percent from $123M in 2010." http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2011/faq/ http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2011/fa...
- OGinparadise 14y ago
  I thought it was $300million something a year, for three years. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/google-paying-mozilla-300-million-per-year-for-search-deal/65921 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/google-paying-mozilla-300-mill... Personally I was not happy since it makes it harder for any competing search engine and we sure do need competition.
  - tedmielczarek 14y ago
    A billion dollars over three years is a bit different. That may be the number, I have no extra information here. It may also be made up, I don't really see any useful sources.

fpgeek 14y ago

Just because Google gave them $1 billion doesn't mean it impacts their priorities (see: Apple and the rumored billions Google gives them for being the iOS search engine placement). It also matters what other offers are on the table. I bet Microsoft would be willing to pay plenty for Bing placement in Firefox. Both Mozilla and Microsoft clearly considered the possibility seriously (remember Firefox with Bing?). Also remember that, initially, Firefox's Google contract expired without being renewed. Instead, the renewal came a few weeks later. At the time there was plenty of speculation that Google was letting Mozilla twist in the wind. Considering how much Google came back with, it certainly looks like any twisting went in the other direction.

OGinparadise 14y ago
That's why I said I hope, money does have a way to corrupt things. Sometime it starts as a noble thing: "let's do this one thing because it's a necessary evil..." (see: Apple and the rumored billions Google gives them for being the iOS search engine placement) Yeah but Google is trying, hoping and praying to destroy Apple's 50-Billion-in-profit business.
- graue 14y ago
  I disagree with your last statement. The most convincing explanation I've seen of Google's motivations with Android is that Android is a hedge in case Google is locked out of other platforms. They make money from people using Google services, regardless of whether the services are used from an iPhone, iPad, or Android device. Google and Apple certainly compete in many areas, but Google isn't trying to "destroy" Apple's business, nor is that even realistic.

drhowarddrfine 14y ago

Remember that Chrome is not webkit and webkit is not Chrome. Chrome is a browser that uses webkit.

tedmielczarek 14y ago

I'm pretty sure we don't get anywhere near a billion dollars from Google. I haven't paid attention to our financials in a while, but the most recent public financial documents from 2011 say "Mozilla’s consolidated reported revenue (Mozilla Foundation and all subsidiaries) for 2011 was $163M (US), up approximately 33 percent from $123M in 2010." http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2011/faq/ http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2011/fa...

OGinparadise 14y ago
I thought it was $300million something a year, for three years. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/google-paying-mozilla-300-million-per-year-for-search-deal/65921 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/google-paying-mozilla-300-mill... Personally I was not happy since it makes it harder for any competing search engine and we sure do need competition.
- tedmielczarek 14y ago
  A billion dollars over three years is a bit different. That may be the number, I have no extra information here. It may also be made up, I don't really see any useful sources.