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> Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circles in a car park? It didn't. It showed him driving .6mi after exi

> Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circles in a car park? It didn't. It showed him driving .6mi after exiting the highway but there is no proof that he was driving around in circles in a parking lot.

DigitalSea 14y ago
It might not prove he drove in circles in a parking lot, but you have to admit there are discrepancies in the data that have not been explained fully by the NYT editor that don't prove he didn't deliberately try and drain the battery all for having the scoop review that tries and dispels Tesla's claims of efficiency.
- Kylekramer 14y ago
  You are asking the NYT editor to prove a negative? What evidence would you require to prove he didn't deliberately try to drain the battery?
- free652 14y ago
  There are a lot of claims that were not proven by Musk, like driving through the downtown Manhattan.. When Lincoln Tunnel is nowhere close to Downtown.. (or properly Lower Manhattan) Let's not start nitpicking, that stop was new for the reporter. He stopped once on the different side of the highway (North bound) and on this side of highway (South bound) the tesla station was in a completely different place. So yea, it's very plausible that he was looking for it.
  - cube13 14y ago
    It was the northbound trip before the first charge. For the southbound trip, the car was effectively dead on the tow truck(it didn't have enough charge to disengage the parking break): http://jalopnik.com/towing-company-the-nyt-tesla-model-s-was-dead-when-it-196100064 http://jalopnik.com/towing-company-the-nyt-tesla-model-s-was...
peeters 14y ago
In fact, the author has explicitly confirmed that he had to do 1-2 laps of the parking lot to find the unilluminated charging station in the dark. While that might qualify as "driving in circles", it did not appear to be intentional, and is a valid issue that one might have.
- danielweber 14y ago
  Musk probably looks on the product as his baby, and if you insult my baby, I won't be totally rational in my response. Really, he shouldn't have mentioned that 0.6 miles at all. If 0.6 miles makes the difference in how a car performs, just drop it. But since Musk thinks this guy was insulting his baby, the 0.6 miles (in _circles_!) looks sinister to him.
  - admiralpumpkin 14y ago
    I agree with you regarding Elon's motivation, but I think Elon's reason for talking about the circling 0.6 miles wasn't to claim that it was a meaningful distance/fuel issue, but rather that it was evidence of Broder's true motivation.

DigitalSea 14y ago

It might not prove he drove in circles in a parking lot, but you have to admit there are discrepancies in the data that have not been explained fully by the NYT editor that don't prove he didn't deliberately try and drain the battery all for having the scoop review that tries and dispels Tesla's claims of efficiency.

Kylekramer 14y ago
You are asking the NYT editor to prove a negative? What evidence would you require to prove he didn't deliberately try to drain the battery?
free652 14y ago
There are a lot of claims that were not proven by Musk, like driving through the downtown Manhattan.. When Lincoln Tunnel is nowhere close to Downtown.. (or properly Lower Manhattan) Let's not start nitpicking, that stop was new for the reporter. He stopped once on the different side of the highway (North bound) and on this side of highway (South bound) the tesla station was in a completely different place. So yea, it's very plausible that he was looking for it.
- cube13 14y ago
  It was the northbound trip before the first charge. For the southbound trip, the car was effectively dead on the tow truck(it didn't have enough charge to disengage the parking break): http://jalopnik.com/towing-company-the-nyt-tesla-model-s-was-dead-when-it-196100064 http://jalopnik.com/towing-company-the-nyt-tesla-model-s-was...

peeters 14y ago

In fact, the author has explicitly confirmed that he had to do 1-2 laps of the parking lot to find the unilluminated charging station in the dark. While that might qualify as "driving in circles", it did not appear to be intentional, and is a valid issue that one might have.

danielweber 14y ago
Musk probably looks on the product as his baby, and if you insult my baby, I won't be totally rational in my response. Really, he shouldn't have mentioned that 0.6 miles at all. If 0.6 miles makes the difference in how a car performs, just drop it. But since Musk thinks this guy was insulting his baby, the 0.6 miles (in _circles_!) looks sinister to him.
- admiralpumpkin 14y ago
  I agree with you regarding Elon's motivation, but I think Elon's reason for talking about the circling 0.6 miles wasn't to claim that it was a meaningful distance/fuel issue, but rather that it was evidence of Broder's true motivation.