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I eventually intend to ask him to fully release and “open source” the driving logs Wow... how 'open source' has become so mainstream. We can now all look forwa

I eventually intend to ask him to fully release and “open source” the driving logs Wow... how 'open source' has become so mainstream. We can now all look forward to the term getting fully diluted and loose its meaning. Already in this article the term is being abused to, IMO, shift the tone from a "challenge by NYTimes" to a plea to Tesla's values.

michael_miller 14y ago
How do you feel that the term has been diluted? As far as I can tell, the statement is true to the Collins dictionary definition of "intellectual property, esp computer source code, that is made freely available to the general public by its creators" [1]. The data is intellectual property that will (hopefully) be made freely available for the general public to scrutinize. [1] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-sou...
- dfxm12 14y ago
  It is being diluted in multiple ways: 1. The author is "verbing" the phrase 2. The Collins definition starts like "intellectual property, esp. source code..." I contend that (as does the free dictionary), in current usage, "open source" refers exclusively to source code. The author is using the phrase to refer to data, which is not the same thing. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open%20source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open%20source
  - untog 14y ago
    With regard to your first point: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=open+sourcing http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=open+sourci... I think that the tech community is the one that verbed "open sourcing".
- bitsweet 14y ago
  Are you trolling me? I guess I'll take the bait... The Collins Dictionary isn't even consistent on the term Open Source. The Collins American Dictionary defines open source as "designating of software whose code is made public and which is thus available to any programmer to develop and customize" [1] where as the Collins English Dictionary defines at as you quoted "intellectual property, esp computer source code, that is made freely available to the general public by its creators" [2] Even wikipedia agrees that "Generally, open source refers to a program in which the source code is available to the general public for use and/or modification from its original design." [4] and google does too: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+open+source https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+open+source I've never heard the term used to refer to intellectual property but regardless, Collins Dictionary defines intellectual property as "something produced by the mind, of which the ownership or right to use may be legally protected by a copyright, patent, trademark, etc."[3] - Log data from a car doesn't seem to fit into the category of things produced by the mind. So as far as I can tell, to "open source" log data is not true to the definition and is is a misuse of the term. I think the abuse is using a term that recently society has found favorable...transforming it into a verbal tool to challenge an adversary. How does sharing raw log data fit into what wikipedia succinctly states "A main principle and practice of open-source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints", and documentation available at no cost to the public." [4] [1] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/open-so... [2] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-sou... [3] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/intellectual-property http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/intelle... [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
grecy 14y ago
I think it's clear this journalist is not a techie, evidenced by your example and: >> screen shots of the car driving logs. I've never thought of jpg graphs as "screen shots".
- lallysingh 14y ago
  Their editor may have wanted a clarification for interested but non-technical audiences. And "screenshot", while inaccurate, is a pretty good approximation of "summary, not raw data," in one word.
- nitrogen 14y ago
  For that matter, I never thought of JPEG as a good format for graphs.

michael_miller 14y ago

How do you feel that the term has been diluted? As far as I can tell, the statement is true to the Collins dictionary definition of "intellectual property, esp computer source code, that is made freely available to the general public by its creators" [1]. The data is intellectual property that will (hopefully) be made freely available for the general public to scrutinize. [1] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-sou...

dfxm12 14y ago
It is being diluted in multiple ways: 1. The author is "verbing" the phrase 2. The Collins definition starts like "intellectual property, esp. source code..." I contend that (as does the free dictionary), in current usage, "open source" refers exclusively to source code. The author is using the phrase to refer to data, which is not the same thing. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open%20source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open%20source
- untog 14y ago
  With regard to your first point: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=open+sourcing http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=open+sourci... I think that the tech community is the one that verbed "open sourcing".
bitsweet 14y ago
Are you trolling me? I guess I'll take the bait... The Collins Dictionary isn't even consistent on the term Open Source. The Collins American Dictionary defines open source as "designating of software whose code is made public and which is thus available to any programmer to develop and customize" [1] where as the Collins English Dictionary defines at as you quoted "intellectual property, esp computer source code, that is made freely available to the general public by its creators" [2] Even wikipedia agrees that "Generally, open source refers to a program in which the source code is available to the general public for use and/or modification from its original design." [4] and google does too: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+open+source https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+open+source I've never heard the term used to refer to intellectual property but regardless, Collins Dictionary defines intellectual property as "something produced by the mind, of which the ownership or right to use may be legally protected by a copyright, patent, trademark, etc."[3] - Log data from a car doesn't seem to fit into the category of things produced by the mind. So as far as I can tell, to "open source" log data is not true to the definition and is is a misuse of the term. I think the abuse is using a term that recently society has found favorable...transforming it into a verbal tool to challenge an adversary. How does sharing raw log data fit into what wikipedia succinctly states "A main principle and practice of open-source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints", and documentation available at no cost to the public." [4] [1] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/open-so... [2] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-source http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/open-sou... [3] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/intellectual-property http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/intelle... [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

grecy 14y ago

I think it's clear this journalist is not a techie, evidenced by your example and: >> screen shots of the car driving logs. I've never thought of jpg graphs as "screen shots".

lallysingh 14y ago
Their editor may have wanted a clarification for interested but non-technical audiences. And "screenshot", while inaccurate, is a pretty good approximation of "summary, not raw data," in one word.
nitrogen 14y ago
For that matter, I never thought of JPEG as a good format for graphs.