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I can empathise with this a lot, but would not recommend going this far, if nothing other than for your own reputation and professionalism. Other clients could

by EToS 14y ago

I can empathise with this a lot, but would not recommend going this far, if nothing other than for your own reputation and professionalism. Other clients could see this without fully understanding the situation, potentially losing business. In previous cases ive been involved in, taking down the site sending in debt collectors is often the easiest and cleanest method of getting back your money.

aroberge 14y ago
Can this be done easily from a different country - as this is the case here?
mgkimsal 14y ago
" if nothing other than for your own reputation and professionalism"... And the professionalism of fitnesssf - of not paying their vendors - gets swept under the rug for dozens of other vendors to have to discover on their own, individually, in silence. Great. "Professionalism" really has to work both ways. If you want me to treat you professionally, treat me professionally. What lines does someone have to cross before they lose that professionalism from you? Financial abuse? Emotional abuse? Verbal abuse? Physical abuse? "Other clients could see this without fully understanding the situation, potentially losing business." There's not that much to understand. What's easy to understand is that if you don't pay your bills with developer X, they will take public action against you. If you're the type of person who plans on skipping out on bills, you may avoid developer X. I think developer X would be thrilled to have potential 'business' like that self-select out of his customer base. I know I would be.
- mediascreen 14y ago
  While I can understand the frustration, I would argue that professionalism does not have to work both ways. If your client acts unprofessionally, you should still act professionally. Try conventional ways to reclame the what you are owed and if all else fails, take the site down - possibly with a small notice that says something like "Site offline until payment in full". What OP did is illegal in many countries in Europe and from what I understand probably in Germany as well. It doesn't matter if the statements are true, it's still defamation. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1669 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
  - analog 14y ago
    Have you got a plain english source for the "defamation even if true" claim? I know that truth is certainly a defence against defamation in the UK, which has a well deserved reputation as an easy place to sue for defamation.
  - dhimes 14y ago
    Furthermore, we have to remember that we are only hearing one side of the story. I believe it...tentatively.

by EToS 14y ago

aroberge 14y ago

Can this be done easily from a different country - as this is the case here?

mgkimsal 14y ago

" if nothing other than for your own reputation and professionalism"... And the professionalism of fitnesssf - of not paying their vendors - gets swept under the rug for dozens of other vendors to have to discover on their own, individually, in silence. Great. "Professionalism" really has to work both ways. If you want me to treat you professionally, treat me professionally. What lines does someone have to cross before they lose that professionalism from you? Financial abuse? Emotional abuse? Verbal abuse? Physical abuse? "Other clients could see this without fully understanding the situation, potentially losing business." There's not that much to understand. What's easy to understand is that if you don't pay your bills with developer X, they will take public action against you. If you're the type of person who plans on skipping out on bills, you may avoid developer X. I think developer X would be thrilled to have potential 'business' like that self-select out of his customer base. I know I would be.

mediascreen 14y ago
While I can understand the frustration, I would argue that professionalism does not have to work both ways. If your client acts unprofessionally, you should still act professionally. Try conventional ways to reclame the what you are owed and if all else fails, take the site down - possibly with a small notice that says something like "Site offline until payment in full". What OP did is illegal in many countries in Europe and from what I understand probably in Germany as well. It doesn't matter if the statements are true, it's still defamation. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1669 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stg...
- analog 14y ago
  Have you got a plain english source for the "defamation even if true" claim? I know that truth is certainly a defence against defamation in the UK, which has a well deserved reputation as an easy place to sue for defamation.
- dhimes 14y ago
  Furthermore, we have to remember that we are only hearing one side of the story. I believe it...tentatively.