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I think it takes a very credulous reading of the original article to get that. Here's the trip: http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV The charging

by Cushman 14y ago

I think it takes a very credulous reading of the original article to get that. Here's the trip: http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15%; maybe a little longer if it's below freezing. That's the price you pay to be off gasoline before it was cool, you know that up front. But look at the distances: The long leg is only 144 miles, well within Model S range. And Musk has acknowledged that on the east coast, in cold weather, those charging stations should be closer together, which could bring that trip closer to 100 miles per leg, which presumably can be done in comfort even in the cold. It's totally doable; takes a little longer, but I like to stretch my legs and grab a cheeseburger during that drive anyway. That just doesn't say "niche" to me. The people who are making that trip every day are the niche.

tatsuke95 14y ago
>The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15% This is true. I was considering round trip. The information is from the Wiki: 400 miles @ 65mph ~ 6.5 hours in an ICE, if you have to gas up along the way. 400 miles @ 54mph ~ 7.5 hours + 2.5 hours of charging. That's quite a difference; one is a day trip, the other is an long day. And it's worse in the winter. Canada is a big place. I regularly drive, 4,5,6 hours without stopping. I have a hard time understanding how people think stopping for an hour every 3 hours of your trip is reasonable. To me, the answer would be to not use the Model S in such a situation, which is fine. But when I have to say, "That trip is too far for my car", and said car approaches 6 figures, it means it's niche, IMHO.
- droithomme 14y ago
  You are correct. Using the same hyperdriving techniques Tesla is recommending of driving 45mph on the freeway in 80mph traffic, and turning off heat/air conditioning, one can get over 80mpg in a diesel rated 31 city 43 highway. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05/84-mpg-couple-drives-vw-passat-diesel-record-chevrolet-cruze-/1 http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05... Obviously the Passat here is not rated to hyperdriving techniques like Tesla Motors is now saying are required to get the stated range in the $101,000 car they lent to the NYT journalist. No one would claim it would be reasonable for Volkswagen to advertise that this car gets 84mpg even though it has been proven to be possible. Likewise, it is not reasonable for Tesla to advertise a range that is based on hyperdriving techniques.

by Cushman 14y ago

tatsuke95 14y ago

>The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15% This is true. I was considering round trip. The information is from the Wiki: 400 miles @ 65mph ~ 6.5 hours in an ICE, if you have to gas up along the way. 400 miles @ 54mph ~ 7.5 hours + 2.5 hours of charging. That's quite a difference; one is a day trip, the other is an long day. And it's worse in the winter. Canada is a big place. I regularly drive, 4,5,6 hours without stopping. I have a hard time understanding how people think stopping for an hour every 3 hours of your trip is reasonable. To me, the answer would be to not use the Model S in such a situation, which is fine. But when I have to say, "That trip is too far for my car", and said car approaches 6 figures, it means it's niche, IMHO.

droithomme 14y ago
You are correct. Using the same hyperdriving techniques Tesla is recommending of driving 45mph on the freeway in 80mph traffic, and turning off heat/air conditioning, one can get over 80mpg in a diesel rated 31 city 43 highway. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05/84-mpg-couple-drives-vw-passat-diesel-record-chevrolet-cruze-/1 http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05... Obviously the Passat here is not rated to hyperdriving techniques like Tesla Motors is now saying are required to get the stated range in the $101,000 car they lent to the NYT journalist. No one would claim it would be reasonable for Volkswagen to advertise that this car gets 84mpg even though it has been proven to be possible. Likewise, it is not reasonable for Tesla to advertise a range that is based on hyperdriving techniques.