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My feeling is that the HN community tends to try and focus on unique and specific details. This quote has become a cliche and doesn't add that much to the conv
by tarr11 14y ago
My feeling is that the HN community tends to try and focus on unique and specific details.
This quote has become a cliche and doesn't add that much to the conversation.
- eCa 14y agoLike many cliches it is proving itself as being true again and again. So one reason that it (maybe) doesn't add much is that everyone knows it is tue, but doesn't want to think about it.
- tarr11 14y agoLogically, if the converse is false, then the original statement is false, correct? "If you are the customer, then you are not the product." This is false (many contradictory examples show that you can be both customer and product), and so the original quote itself is false.
- tedunangst 14y agoNo, you're thinking of contrapositive. Converses are not equivalent. In this case, contrapositive would be "if you're not the product, then you are paying for it."
- Turing_Machine 14y agoHere's a Venn diagram: http://imgur.com/532xPbd http://imgur.com/532xPbd Note that "If you're not the customer, you're the product" is true, but "If you are the customer, you're not the product" is false. Your reasoning would hold if the categories were mutually exclusive, but, as you noted, they aren't.
- icebraining 14y agoYou can be the product whether you pay or not, and you can not pay and still not be the product (e.g. Wikipedia). It's a thought-terminating cliché.