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>"They were, in no way, behaving like any half-ways rational person would" I know, right? No rational person would put the cruise on 60, sometimes do 80, and

>"They were, in no way, behaving like any half-ways rational person would" I know, right? No rational person would put the cruise on 60, sometimes do 80, and expect the cabin temperature to be a balmy 75 degrees. Broder's article was a hack job. That's obvious. But I can't come to terms with how a rational person would want to stop every 3 hours to charge a car for an hour. Get yourself a small turbo-diesel and you're doing this trip in probably half the time, thanks to no charging and setting the cruise at whatever you want. Oh, and you can play whatever music and set the cabin temperature to whatever you'd like. And it's 1/5th the price. I'm not surprised that the Times wrote a shitty article. I am surprised at how bad the Tesla looks as a daily driver.

Cushman 14y ago
If your daily drives are three hours, I'm concerned for you.
- tatsuke95 14y ago
  We don't all live in California and get to bike to work. I have 3+ hour drives twice a week. Sometimes it's very cold. Granted, I'm not going to buy a Model S to do this sort of commute, but then, what is the article trying to sell me? The idea that you can take a car like this on an extensive trip. And, to me, it looks absolutely terrible in that regard, especially in the winter. Somehow people take that as an affront to climate change, puppies, the internet and Elon Musk himself.
  - Cushman 14y ago
    Sure. If you can't stay on the Supercharger network, or can't charge your car where you're going, an electric vehicle is not suitable for your purpose, even if it is in other respects the best car ever built. The infrastructure just isn't there, yet. But going from that to "absolutely terrible" reads as pretty hyperbolic, and I think that's what you're getting from "people".
    - tatsuke95 14y ago
      >"But going from that to "absolutely terrible" reads as pretty hyperbolic, and I think that's what you're getting from "people"." Maybe terrible is overstated. But if we're talking about average Joe making a commute between NY and Boston, how does the Tesla make any sense whatsoever? Between the low recommended speeds and charge times, you're looking at increasing the length of the trip by 50%, no? There's a huge loss in efficiency there. We're not even talking about the overnight loss of power, or the discomfort associated with guidelines on cabin temperature and gadgets. I think it's pretty clear that the EV is still sort of niche. It's a grocery-getter/weekend driver. Definately a nice one, probably a fun one. But they have a ways to go.
      - Cushman 14y ago
        I think it takes a very credulous reading of the original article to get that. Here's the trip: http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15%; maybe a little longer if it's below freezing. That's the price you pay to be off gasoline before it was cool, you know that up front. But look at the distances: The long leg is only 144 miles, well within Model S range. And Musk has acknowledged that on the east coast, in cold weather, those charging stations should be closer together, which could bring that trip closer to 100 miles per leg, which presumably can be done in comfort even in the cold. It's totally doable; takes a little longer, but I like to stretch my legs and grab a cheeseburger during that drive anyway. That just doesn't say "niche" to me. The people who are making that trip every day are the niche.
        tatsuke95 14y ago
        >The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15% This is true. I was considering round trip. The information is from the Wiki: 400 miles @ 65mph ~ 6.5 hours in an ICE, if you have to gas up along the way. 400 miles @ 54mph ~ 7.5 hours + 2.5 hours of charging. That's quite a difference; one is a day trip, the other is an long day. And it's worse in the winter. Canada is a big place. I regularly drive, 4,5,6 hours without stopping. I have a hard time understanding how people think stopping for an hour every 3 hours of your trip is reasonable. To me, the answer would be to not use the Model S in such a situation, which is fine. But when I have to say, "That trip is too far for my car", and said car approaches 6 figures, it means it's niche, IMHO.

Cushman 14y ago

If your daily drives are three hours, I'm concerned for you.

tatsuke95 14y ago
We don't all live in California and get to bike to work. I have 3+ hour drives twice a week. Sometimes it's very cold. Granted, I'm not going to buy a Model S to do this sort of commute, but then, what is the article trying to sell me? The idea that you can take a car like this on an extensive trip. And, to me, it looks absolutely terrible in that regard, especially in the winter. Somehow people take that as an affront to climate change, puppies, the internet and Elon Musk himself.
- Cushman 14y ago
  Sure. If you can't stay on the Supercharger network, or can't charge your car where you're going, an electric vehicle is not suitable for your purpose, even if it is in other respects the best car ever built. The infrastructure just isn't there, yet. But going from that to "absolutely terrible" reads as pretty hyperbolic, and I think that's what you're getting from "people".
  - tatsuke95 14y ago
    >"But going from that to "absolutely terrible" reads as pretty hyperbolic, and I think that's what you're getting from "people"." Maybe terrible is overstated. But if we're talking about average Joe making a commute between NY and Boston, how does the Tesla make any sense whatsoever? Between the low recommended speeds and charge times, you're looking at increasing the length of the trip by 50%, no? There's a huge loss in efficiency there. We're not even talking about the overnight loss of power, or the discomfort associated with guidelines on cabin temperature and gadgets. I think it's pretty clear that the EV is still sort of niche. It's a grocery-getter/weekend driver. Definately a nice one, probably a fun one. But they have a ways to go.
    - Cushman 14y ago
      I think it takes a very credulous reading of the original article to get that. Here's the trip: http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV http://goo.gl/maps/oUEQV The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15%; maybe a little longer if it's below freezing. That's the price you pay to be off gasoline before it was cool, you know that up front. But look at the distances: The long leg is only 144 miles, well within Model S range. And Musk has acknowledged that on the east coast, in cold weather, those charging stations should be closer together, which could bring that trip closer to 100 miles per leg, which presumably can be done in comfort even in the cold. It's totally doable; takes a little longer, but I like to stretch my legs and grab a cheeseburger during that drive anyway. That just doesn't say "niche" to me. The people who are making that trip every day are the niche.
      - tatsuke95 14y ago
        >The charging does add half an hour to a three-and-a-half hour trip, about 15% This is true. I was considering round trip. The information is from the Wiki: 400 miles @ 65mph ~ 6.5 hours in an ICE, if you have to gas up along the way. 400 miles @ 54mph ~ 7.5 hours + 2.5 hours of charging. That's quite a difference; one is a day trip, the other is an long day. And it's worse in the winter. Canada is a big place. I regularly drive, 4,5,6 hours without stopping. I have a hard time understanding how people think stopping for an hour every 3 hours of your trip is reasonable. To me, the answer would be to not use the Model S in such a situation, which is fine. But when I have to say, "That trip is too far for my car", and said car approaches 6 figures, it means it's niche, IMHO.