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He does have a valid point in that both the reporter and Mr. Musk may earnestly believe they are telling the truth. For instance if you look at the cabin temper

by olefoo 14y ago

He does have a valid point in that both the reporter and Mr. Musk may earnestly believe they are telling the truth. For instance if you look at the cabin temperature graph, it's clear that it was uncomfortably cold for nearly 50 miles; but that it wasn't see your breath cold at any point. But hey, let's all pick sides based on our allegiance to ( east or west coast, Tesla or The Times ) and have a nice little monkey dance about who's right or wrong.

Finster 14y ago
> it's clear that it was uncomfortably cold for nearly 50 miles No, that's not a log of the temperature reading. They logged the temperature SETPOINT. An important distinction. I do this all the time, being from cold climates. I jack up the heat at the start of my trip, and then once I get going, I eventually turn the heater off completely.
- cube13 14y ago
  >No, that's not a log of the temperature reading. They logged the temperature SETPOINT. An important distinction. It's a thermostat controlled temperature, though. There's no reason to turn it down if it's set to a comfortable temperature, because it will automatically shut down when the proper cabin temp is reached.
  - NSAID 14y ago
    Eh. My car is thermostat controlled, and I often adjust the temperature because the vents are close enough to me that it can become uncomfortable. The size of a car makes it a little different than setting a thermostat in your house.
  - ajross 14y ago
    The difference between theory and practice is ... Nah, forget it, theory is always wrong. Anyone who drives in the cold knows this is wrong. You turn the set point to 90 at the start of the trip, because the built-in logic is going to drive the fans harder when the delta between ambient and set point is higher, and the car will warm up faster. Yes, in theory the software should recognize that. But, in practice.... Nah, forget it. Theory is always wrong.
    - cube13 14y ago
      90 is not a "comfortable" setting, though. I agree completely that's what you do in cold weather. I do that every morning with my car. But after 3+ hours in the car, it's pretty unlikely that you'd lower the temperature at that point. EDIT: Downvotes? Really? If the car's climate control is controlled entirely by a thermostat, then setting the temperature up to 90 will warm it faster when it's cold, but once it's warmed up the cabin, you set the temperature to something comfortable(say, 70). You don't turn it off, because the climate control system is supposed to be doing that automatically.
      - deveac 14y ago
        > If the car's climate control is controlled entirely by a thermostat, then setting the temperature up to 90 will warm it faster when it's cold, but once it's warmed up the cabin, you set the temperature to something comfortable(say, 70). You don't turn it off, because the climate control system is supposed to be doing that automatically. Hi, I live in Michigan. You do turn it off. Your theory sounds like it could be good on paper, but in reality, humans behave a little differently. Our winters are brutal. At some points in the winter time, it's a horrifying proposition climbing into the icebox that is a car's cabin. Reflexively, many people just crank the heat up as high as it will go and blast the cabin with warm air as soon as it's available. As much as you can, as quickly as possible. What tends to happen then is that at some point, you realize that you're hot. You've been blasting the heat, you weren't paying attention (listening to news/music, concentrating on the road, on your phone, etc)and when it suddenly occurs you you that you don't need the heat to be blasting anymore, it's because you are uncomfortable. You're still in full winter gear in your car, you jacket is smothering you, and the cabin is now hot with you in your coat. People aren't always thinking "Ah, let me just lower the heat to a more comfortable level," they're thinking "OMG turn this thing OFF. Could the climate control handle this in theory? Sure. If human psychology and behavior weren't continually getting in the way. No telling what any given person would do when you don't have the data, but I can tell you what people do do in reality. They crank it then turn it off. Also, I'll never purchase another car without heated seats in Michigan again as long as I live here. What was I (not) thinking?

by olefoo 14y ago

Finster 14y ago

> it's clear that it was uncomfortably cold for nearly 50 miles No, that's not a log of the temperature reading. They logged the temperature SETPOINT. An important distinction. I do this all the time, being from cold climates. I jack up the heat at the start of my trip, and then once I get going, I eventually turn the heater off completely.

cube13 14y ago
>No, that's not a log of the temperature reading. They logged the temperature SETPOINT. An important distinction. It's a thermostat controlled temperature, though. There's no reason to turn it down if it's set to a comfortable temperature, because it will automatically shut down when the proper cabin temp is reached.
- NSAID 14y ago
  Eh. My car is thermostat controlled, and I often adjust the temperature because the vents are close enough to me that it can become uncomfortable. The size of a car makes it a little different than setting a thermostat in your house.
- ajross 14y ago
  The difference between theory and practice is ... Nah, forget it, theory is always wrong. Anyone who drives in the cold knows this is wrong. You turn the set point to 90 at the start of the trip, because the built-in logic is going to drive the fans harder when the delta between ambient and set point is higher, and the car will warm up faster. Yes, in theory the software should recognize that. But, in practice.... Nah, forget it. Theory is always wrong.
  - cube13 14y ago
    90 is not a "comfortable" setting, though. I agree completely that's what you do in cold weather. I do that every morning with my car. But after 3+ hours in the car, it's pretty unlikely that you'd lower the temperature at that point. EDIT: Downvotes? Really? If the car's climate control is controlled entirely by a thermostat, then setting the temperature up to 90 will warm it faster when it's cold, but once it's warmed up the cabin, you set the temperature to something comfortable(say, 70). You don't turn it off, because the climate control system is supposed to be doing that automatically.
    - deveac 14y ago
      > If the car's climate control is controlled entirely by a thermostat, then setting the temperature up to 90 will warm it faster when it's cold, but once it's warmed up the cabin, you set the temperature to something comfortable(say, 70). You don't turn it off, because the climate control system is supposed to be doing that automatically. Hi, I live in Michigan. You do turn it off. Your theory sounds like it could be good on paper, but in reality, humans behave a little differently. Our winters are brutal. At some points in the winter time, it's a horrifying proposition climbing into the icebox that is a car's cabin. Reflexively, many people just crank the heat up as high as it will go and blast the cabin with warm air as soon as it's available. As much as you can, as quickly as possible. What tends to happen then is that at some point, you realize that you're hot. You've been blasting the heat, you weren't paying attention (listening to news/music, concentrating on the road, on your phone, etc)and when it suddenly occurs you you that you don't need the heat to be blasting anymore, it's because you are uncomfortable. You're still in full winter gear in your car, you jacket is smothering you, and the cabin is now hot with you in your coat. People aren't always thinking "Ah, let me just lower the heat to a more comfortable level," they're thinking "OMG turn this thing OFF. Could the climate control handle this in theory? Sure. If human psychology and behavior weren't continually getting in the way. No telling what any given person would do when you don't have the data, but I can tell you what people do do in reality. They crank it then turn it off. Also, I'll never purchase another car without heated seats in Michigan again as long as I live here. What was I (not) thinking?