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Story 1: Tesla shows NYT review does not reflect what actually happened with the car. Story 2: Tesla, your mechanic, your insurance company, your spouse, the g

Story 1: Tesla shows NYT review does not reflect what actually happened with the car. Story 2: Tesla, your mechanic, your insurance company, your spouse, the government, and anybody else with access to the box can tell exactly how you've been driving. I'm a big Tesla and Musk fan. I have nothing but hope that Tesla rocks on. But #2 is the way larger story here. I continue to be amazed at how in 20 years or so suddenly the world is full of people who don't mind detailed logs of their every movement and action being kept.

RexRollman 14y ago
Don't all new cars have black boxes now? I seem to recall reading something about it and how cops are using the information.
covalence 14y ago
Musk said previously in a tweet that logging is always on for media but only on for customers with their written permission. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/301053361157988352 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/301053361157988352
- DanielBMarkham 14y ago
  This is a good point. Thanks for bringing it up. But I think you miss the gist of my statement. My apologies. I should have been clearer. I said "...anybody else with access to the box can tell exactly how you've been driving..." The issue here is that the car is automatically equipped to provide such tracking. Whether the tracking is turned on by default, by court order, by the police hacking your system, by the company in order to verify test drives, by your insurance company convincing you to give them the data -- all good and interesting situations for discussion, but not germane to what I was saying. In fact, it's not the company I worry about. It's consumers who will easily be lured into turning on tracking by their insurance companies -- and then this data will be available to anybody who has system access. We are our own worst enemies. Your car -- a large, heavy, physical piece of reality which you trust to get you from point A to point B -- is now only so much software. That's a big deal.
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  - covalence 14y ago
    All cars will soon require blackboxes [1]. I agree it's a big deal and it will be interesting to see how good security / how accessible these are. [1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/black-boxes-privacy/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/black-boxes-privacy...
Expez 14y ago
Logging is off by default except when the car is being driven by a member of the media. The reason they have it turned on under these circumstances is mentioned in the article: they were treated unfairly by the car show Top Gun.
- userulluipeste 14y ago
  That's how things are for now. His point is that all the cards are in place. Switching to default logging won't happen with fanfare.

RexRollman 14y ago

Don't all new cars have black boxes now? I seem to recall reading something about it and how cops are using the information.

covalence 14y ago

Musk said previously in a tweet that logging is always on for media but only on for customers with their written permission. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/301053361157988352 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/301053361157988352

DanielBMarkham 14y ago
This is a good point. Thanks for bringing it up. But I think you miss the gist of my statement. My apologies. I should have been clearer. I said "...anybody else with access to the box can tell exactly how you've been driving..." The issue here is that the car is automatically equipped to provide such tracking. Whether the tracking is turned on by default, by court order, by the police hacking your system, by the company in order to verify test drives, by your insurance company convincing you to give them the data -- all good and interesting situations for discussion, but not germane to what I was saying. In fact, it's not the company I worry about. It's consumers who will easily be lured into turning on tracking by their insurance companies -- and then this data will be available to anybody who has system access. We are our own worst enemies. Your car -- a large, heavy, physical piece of reality which you trust to get you from point A to point B -- is now only so much software. That's a big deal.
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- covalence 14y ago
  All cars will soon require blackboxes [1]. I agree it's a big deal and it will be interesting to see how good security / how accessible these are. [1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/black-boxes-privacy/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/black-boxes-privacy...

Expez 14y ago

Logging is off by default except when the car is being driven by a member of the media. The reason they have it turned on under these circumstances is mentioned in the article: they were treated unfairly by the car show Top Gun.

userulluipeste 14y ago
That's how things are for now. His point is that all the cards are in place. Switching to default logging won't happen with fanfare.