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+1 for log files.

busterarm 14y ago
I bet that Tesla gives automotive insurance underwriters massive hard-ons. I want one of these cars so badly. I had plans to buy the new 2017 Mazda RX-7 and keep my '88 10AE RX-7, but I might just sell the old one and figure out how to make the Model S purchase happen.
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  I just bought a new 981S, but would have preferred to buy a car from Tesla, for what it's worth. I just can't get past my belief that EVs make no sense without a standardized battery-exchange infrastructure. I tend to keep cars for a long time, so hopefully the situation will be different next time around, and I can spend the money with Tesla. I'm very glad they were vindicated in this case. That said, I still agree with the discredited report in a qualitative sense: EVs that have to be charged in real time at arbitrary leaf nodes on the power grid are a really, really stupid idea.
  - busterarm 14y ago
    Maybe some day. It couldn't happen without Tesla's cars being ubiquitous and we'll never get there without having these cars out now. With the sled system that Tesla is using, one day it may be possible to do easy battery-exchange. If you live in an area where a Tesla is convenient and you don't need to do frequent long trips, it almost seems like a no-brainer to me though.
    - earthboundkid 14y ago
      I live in Honolulu and see Nissan Leafs on the road all the time, but I don't think I've seen a Tesla. Is the mainland different?
      - CamperBob2 14y ago
        I don't think enough Model S vehicles have been produced to be considered common in any locale, but there are quite a few of them in the Seattle area. I'll encounter one perhaps once a month. About as frequently as I see a Ferrari on the road, I'd guess.
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > I just can't get past my belief that EVs make no sense without a standardized battery-exchange infrastructure. I tend to keep cars for a long time So, you just need enough infrastructure to allow for leasing the battery while owning the vehicle. That would mean battery swaps would have to be the equivalent of engine overhauls. Sounds good to me.
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      Well, there's a logical leap worthy of the Dukes of Hazzard.
      - stcredzero 14y ago
        Yehaa!
  - chaz 14y ago
    > EVs that have to be charged in real time at arbitrary leaf nodes on the power grid are a really, really stupid idea. Maybe. But Tesla has proven that they can build a product that people will buy. Isn't that what matters?
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      Isn't that what matters? Sure, until Musk's prediction of half of all cars sold being plug-in EVs by 2020 comes true. At that point, it will be pretty annoying when I lose power every night because half of the houses in my neighborhood are charging their cars. And I definitely look forward to breathing the additional coal plant emissions that will be necessary to overcome resistive loss in the grid. (Of course, refining gasoline requires a fair bit of electricity on its own, but refineries are centralized sites with industrial power service, like charging sites for leased EV batteries would be in an ideal world.) The idea that plug-in EVs are somehow a magical workaround for the externalities of gasoline-powered vehicles is troublesome. A sustainable future for EVs means addressing the externalities first, because they won't go away on their own.
- thebooktocome 14y ago
  > gives automotive insurance underwriters massive hard-ons. They already have them. State Farm keeps badgering me to turn on the OnStar in my car so that they can charge me insurance based on how far I actually drive, rather than the upper bound on mileage that I tell them.

+1 for log files.

I bet that Tesla gives automotive insurance underwriters massive hard-ons. I want one of these cars so badly. I had plans to buy the new 2017 Mazda RX-7 and keep my '88 10AE RX-7, but I might just sell the old one and figure out how to make the Model S purchase happen.

CamperBob2 14y ago
I just bought a new 981S, but would have preferred to buy a car from Tesla, for what it's worth. I just can't get past my belief that EVs make no sense without a standardized battery-exchange infrastructure. I tend to keep cars for a long time, so hopefully the situation will be different next time around, and I can spend the money with Tesla. I'm very glad they were vindicated in this case. That said, I still agree with the discredited report in a qualitative sense: EVs that have to be charged in real time at arbitrary leaf nodes on the power grid are a really, really stupid idea.
- busterarm 14y ago
  Maybe some day. It couldn't happen without Tesla's cars being ubiquitous and we'll never get there without having these cars out now. With the sled system that Tesla is using, one day it may be possible to do easy battery-exchange. If you live in an area where a Tesla is convenient and you don't need to do frequent long trips, it almost seems like a no-brainer to me though.
  - earthboundkid 14y ago
    I live in Honolulu and see Nissan Leafs on the road all the time, but I don't think I've seen a Tesla. Is the mainland different?
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      I don't think enough Model S vehicles have been produced to be considered common in any locale, but there are quite a few of them in the Seattle area. I'll encounter one perhaps once a month. About as frequently as I see a Ferrari on the road, I'd guess.
- stcredzero 14y ago
  > I just can't get past my belief that EVs make no sense without a standardized battery-exchange infrastructure. I tend to keep cars for a long time So, you just need enough infrastructure to allow for leasing the battery while owning the vehicle. That would mean battery swaps would have to be the equivalent of engine overhauls. Sounds good to me.
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    Well, there's a logical leap worthy of the Dukes of Hazzard.
    - stcredzero 14y ago
      Yehaa!
- chaz 14y ago
  > EVs that have to be charged in real time at arbitrary leaf nodes on the power grid are a really, really stupid idea. Maybe. But Tesla has proven that they can build a product that people will buy. Isn't that what matters?
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    Isn't that what matters? Sure, until Musk's prediction of half of all cars sold being plug-in EVs by 2020 comes true. At that point, it will be pretty annoying when I lose power every night because half of the houses in my neighborhood are charging their cars. And I definitely look forward to breathing the additional coal plant emissions that will be necessary to overcome resistive loss in the grid. (Of course, refining gasoline requires a fair bit of electricity on its own, but refineries are centralized sites with industrial power service, like charging sites for leased EV batteries would be in an ideal world.) The idea that plug-in EVs are somehow a magical workaround for the externalities of gasoline-powered vehicles is troublesome. A sustainable future for EVs means addressing the externalities first, because they won't go away on their own.
thebooktocome 14y ago
> gives automotive insurance underwriters massive hard-ons. They already have them. State Farm keeps badgering me to turn on the OnStar in my car so that they can charge me insurance based on how far I actually drive, rather than the upper bound on mileage that I tell them.