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The problem is that the entire legal system is a protection racket. If you don't have deep pockets, you are 100% subject to the whims if whatever kind of troll

The problem is that the entire legal system is a protection racket. If you don't have deep pockets, you are 100% subject to the whims if whatever kind of troll that comes knocking. But why should this be surprising when the people who pass the laws are mostly members of the group that gets rich either way.

dylangs1030 14y ago
I was with you up until the last sentence. I don't intend to be mean, but you should really try to avoid seemingly partison statements like that unless you make them less vague, more relevant and add citations. It's not simply that your statement isn't true (you didn't specify enough for it to be one way or another), it's that it amounts to just spouting cynical minutia. It gives people an excuse not to listen to your point if you tag a bland political statement on to an otherwise substantial point.
- DigitalJack 14y ago
  Wouldn't he have to at least imply a party for it to be partisan?
  - dylangs1030 14y ago
    The party implied is democratic liberalism, which opposes the perceived nepotism in government due to a saturation of rich individuals and leverage afforded by wealth. That's not saying I agree or disagree with the view, I'm just neutrally defining it. I'm not saying he is a member or even ideologically agrees. That's just the position implied in that statement.
    - AnthonyMouse 14y ago
      >The party implied is democratic liberalism, which opposes the perceived nepotism in government due to a saturation of rich individuals and leverage afforded by wealth. Is it? "The government is corrupt and incompetent so they should stay out of it" is a basic conservative/libertarian position. I think a lot more people would agree with conservatives in principle if they weren't so hypocritical and corrupt in practice. You hear the occasional lip service regarding the poor or power imbalances reinforced by government policies, but they never seriously advance policies that would do anything about it, and any time they actually propose or enact anything specific the result is usually the complete opposite of that. Cue the old saw about Republicans believing the government is corrupt and incompetent and proving it every time they're elected.
    - btilly 14y ago
      That party is only implied if you bring a lot of biases to your judgement that I do not share. Why do I not share it? The same statement, with the same reasoning, could be made about tort reform. And yet now when you look at voting records, Republicans are the ones you'd associate the issue with. Ah, but you say that the statement as provided implicitly mentions large corporations as a problem? Yet concern about the power of large corporations is not a uniquely Democratic issue. For instance Rand Paul has taken a pretty strong stance on the issue. d As a generality, most Americans are happy to say that most politicians are corrupt and reflect the vested interests of those who brought them to power. And this unanimity lasts exactly until you ask them about the politicians that they voted for.
    - SoftwareMaven 14y ago
      You read way more into that comment than I put. I, in no way, implied (nor even thought) of any party. I'm still trying to understand the worldview that turned my statement into "Liberal democrats are the source of all that is wrong." I can only think of one, and it is so heavily biased against everything not liberal Democrat that I hope I'm wrong.
- mattstreet 14y ago
  Is it partisan to point out that pretty much anyone in politics is in a different economic class than 98% of the country? I'm pretty sure he meant that when he said group, not Dem vs Rep.
  - dylangs1030 14y ago
    No, that isn't. But that's also being much more specific and is closer to citing something substantial. You provided numbers, and that's the first step to relevance.
    - dhimes 14y ago
      I think he meant that the people who write the laws are lawyers - and thus there is an inherent conflict of interest.

dylangs1030 14y ago

I was with you up until the last sentence. I don't intend to be mean, but you should really try to avoid seemingly partison statements like that unless you make them less vague, more relevant and add citations. It's not simply that your statement isn't true (you didn't specify enough for it to be one way or another), it's that it amounts to just spouting cynical minutia. It gives people an excuse not to listen to your point if you tag a bland political statement on to an otherwise substantial point.

DigitalJack 14y ago
Wouldn't he have to at least imply a party for it to be partisan?
- dylangs1030 14y ago
  The party implied is democratic liberalism, which opposes the perceived nepotism in government due to a saturation of rich individuals and leverage afforded by wealth. That's not saying I agree or disagree with the view, I'm just neutrally defining it. I'm not saying he is a member or even ideologically agrees. That's just the position implied in that statement.
  - AnthonyMouse 14y ago
    >The party implied is democratic liberalism, which opposes the perceived nepotism in government due to a saturation of rich individuals and leverage afforded by wealth. Is it? "The government is corrupt and incompetent so they should stay out of it" is a basic conservative/libertarian position. I think a lot more people would agree with conservatives in principle if they weren't so hypocritical and corrupt in practice. You hear the occasional lip service regarding the poor or power imbalances reinforced by government policies, but they never seriously advance policies that would do anything about it, and any time they actually propose or enact anything specific the result is usually the complete opposite of that. Cue the old saw about Republicans believing the government is corrupt and incompetent and proving it every time they're elected.
  - btilly 14y ago
    That party is only implied if you bring a lot of biases to your judgement that I do not share. Why do I not share it? The same statement, with the same reasoning, could be made about tort reform. And yet now when you look at voting records, Republicans are the ones you'd associate the issue with. Ah, but you say that the statement as provided implicitly mentions large corporations as a problem? Yet concern about the power of large corporations is not a uniquely Democratic issue. For instance Rand Paul has taken a pretty strong stance on the issue. d As a generality, most Americans are happy to say that most politicians are corrupt and reflect the vested interests of those who brought them to power. And this unanimity lasts exactly until you ask them about the politicians that they voted for.
  - SoftwareMaven 14y ago
    You read way more into that comment than I put. I, in no way, implied (nor even thought) of any party. I'm still trying to understand the worldview that turned my statement into "Liberal democrats are the source of all that is wrong." I can only think of one, and it is so heavily biased against everything not liberal Democrat that I hope I'm wrong.
mattstreet 14y ago
Is it partisan to point out that pretty much anyone in politics is in a different economic class than 98% of the country? I'm pretty sure he meant that when he said group, not Dem vs Rep.
- dylangs1030 14y ago
  No, that isn't. But that's also being much more specific and is closer to citing something substantial. You provided numbers, and that's the first step to relevance.
  - dhimes 14y ago
    I think he meant that the people who write the laws are lawyers - and thus there is an inherent conflict of interest.