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There is going to be a big battle with International Code Council (ICC), National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), ANSI, I could go on and on. They all have

by sfall 14y ago

There is going to be a big battle with International Code Council (ICC), National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), ANSI, I could go on and on. They all have a vested interest on keeping their standards locked down.

fnordfnordfnord 14y ago
See SBCCI vs Veeck. Here, first link I could find: http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/Veek_vs_Southern_Bldg_Code.htm http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/Veek_vs_Southern_Bldg_Code.ht... >Today the majority concludes that the presumed benefits generated through the creation of "model codes" require that it strike the balance in favor of permitting the model code creator to continue to enforce its copyright, even after such a code has been adopted into law. In my view, once a "model code" is adopted into law by the government, a private entity, such as SBCCI, may no longer obstruct publication and transmission of the law by an uncompensated transferor. Adoption of the model code as law serves to place the law in the public domain and it should, therefore, be readily available for access by all citizens. The access should not be limited to a non-public commercial establishment. Similarly, upon enactment, the law transforms into an "idea" that is no longer distinguishable from its expression, causing SBCCI's codes to lose their copyright protection. It is my belief that reversal of the district court judgment is appropriate. I respectfully dissent from the decision of the majority. edit: later noticed btilly's link to SBCCI vs Veeck http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5214449 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5214449 at http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/293_F3d_791.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/293_F3d_791.htm
- sfall 14y ago
  I think thats why they may try and fight it. I don't know of any other state that the entire code published
msrpotus 14y ago
Do they get paid when something they write gets incorporated into the law?
- sfall 14y ago
  this is how it works. A town, city, or state chooses a model codes to adopt there are a few. To simplify lets say they only adopt the International Building Code (IBC). This model code references many different standards, like NFPA. NFPA standards then reference standards themselves like ANSI. They make their money from publishing the books, reference material, training, support. So no they don't get money when it's directly adopted into law but when development work needs to be done the architects, engineers, contractors, all need to be able to reference the adopted code because most municipalities do not publish the entire code just stating what they adopt and change. Does that help?
fnordfnordfnord 14y ago
See also: https://public.resource.org/ https://public.resource.org/ https://law.resource.org/ https://law.resource.org/ By state. https://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/ https://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/
- sfall 14y ago
  the difference is a state publishing model codes is different than a non profit publishing copyrighted material I think it's more of the state saying it's ok compared to a non profit.

by sfall 14y ago

fnordfnordfnord 14y ago

See SBCCI vs Veeck. Here, first link I could find: http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/Veek_vs_Southern_Bldg_Code.htm http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/Veek_vs_Southern_Bldg_Code.ht... >Today the majority concludes that the presumed benefits generated through the creation of "model codes" require that it strike the balance in favor of permitting the model code creator to continue to enforce its copyright, even after such a code has been adopted into law. In my view, once a "model code" is adopted into law by the government, a private entity, such as SBCCI, may no longer obstruct publication and transmission of the law by an uncompensated transferor. Adoption of the model code as law serves to place the law in the public domain and it should, therefore, be readily available for access by all citizens. The access should not be limited to a non-public commercial establishment. Similarly, upon enactment, the law transforms into an "idea" that is no longer distinguishable from its expression, causing SBCCI's codes to lose their copyright protection. It is my belief that reversal of the district court judgment is appropriate. I respectfully dissent from the decision of the majority. edit: later noticed btilly's link to SBCCI vs Veeck http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5214449 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5214449 at http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/293_F3d_791.htm http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/293_F3d_791.htm

sfall 14y ago
I think thats why they may try and fight it. I don't know of any other state that the entire code published

msrpotus 14y ago

Do they get paid when something they write gets incorporated into the law?

sfall 14y ago
this is how it works. A town, city, or state chooses a model codes to adopt there are a few. To simplify lets say they only adopt the International Building Code (IBC). This model code references many different standards, like NFPA. NFPA standards then reference standards themselves like ANSI. They make their money from publishing the books, reference material, training, support. So no they don't get money when it's directly adopted into law but when development work needs to be done the architects, engineers, contractors, all need to be able to reference the adopted code because most municipalities do not publish the entire code just stating what they adopt and change. Does that help?

fnordfnordfnord 14y ago

See also: https://public.resource.org/ https://public.resource.org/ https://law.resource.org/ https://law.resource.org/ By state. https://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/ https://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/

sfall 14y ago
the difference is a state publishing model codes is different than a non profit publishing copyrighted material I think it's more of the state saying it's ok compared to a non profit.