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If you actually read the article, you can see how some of the statements might apply to nursing (there might be short lines for the men's room at nursing confer

by tedks 14y ago

If you actually read the article, you can see how some of the statements might apply to nursing (there might be short lines for the men's room at nursing conferences), but many clearly don't. Some examples: * Male nurses will not be told "good for you" by someone finding out their profession. * Male nurses are not assumed to be secretaries in meetings. * Male nurses won't be judged by their body over their skill -- and as a result, they won't face cognitive impairments because of internalized objectification[1][2][3][4][5]. * Male nurses will not be perceived as "bitches" if they are competent at their job -- and they will not be perceived as incompetent if they attempt to be likable[6]. * Male nurses are not paid less, on average, than female nurses[7]. By ignoring these very tangible and well-demonstrated barriers to entry for women in a wide variety of careers (any of the above arguments apply to women attempting to be lawyers, doctors, or executives in addition to being "in tech" as you put it), you are minimizing women's lived experiences of these effects, and you are retarding the balance. [1] http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/30/1/59.short http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/30/1/59.short [2] http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-006-9140-x?LI=true http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-006-9140-x... [3] That swimsuit becomes you: sex differences in self-objectification, restrained eating, and math performance. Journal of personality and social psychology [0022-3514] Fredrickson yr:1998 vol:75 iss:1 pg:269 [4] http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3ASERS.0000032306.20462.22?LI=true http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3ASERS.00000323... [5] http://www.sanchezlab.com/pdfs/FredricksonRoberts.pdf http://www.sanchezlab.com/pdfs/FredricksonRoberts.pdf [6] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004.00381.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004.... [7] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-4932.2009.00600.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-4932.2009....

Peroni 14y ago
1. I did read the article. Twice actually because I know this is a contentious issue and I wanted to ensure I wasn't missing the point. 2. Your source for #7 is ridiculous. There is absolutely zero proof that female programmers are paid less than males. My career is dedicated to helping programmers find work (both male and female) and my own direct experience with the thousands of people and companies I've worked with points to the fact that female programmers are paid more than average simply because companies are willing to shell out a bit more for a female dev in order to avoid the label of having a male dominated workplace.
ry0ohki 14y ago
There are a whole other set of stereotypes males in traditionally female roles have to overcome. They don't match your set, but they exist. For example male flight attendants and hair stylists are assumed to be homosexual, and male nurses are taught to be embarrassed of their profession (male nurses often say they are "RNs" or "medical professionals" out of this stigma).

by tedks 14y ago

Peroni 14y ago

1. I did read the article. Twice actually because I know this is a contentious issue and I wanted to ensure I wasn't missing the point. 2. Your source for #7 is ridiculous. There is absolutely zero proof that female programmers are paid less than males. My career is dedicated to helping programmers find work (both male and female) and my own direct experience with the thousands of people and companies I've worked with points to the fact that female programmers are paid more than average simply because companies are willing to shell out a bit more for a female dev in order to avoid the label of having a male dominated workplace.

ry0ohki 14y ago

There are a whole other set of stereotypes males in traditionally female roles have to overcome. They don't match your set, but they exist. For example male flight attendants and hair stylists are assumed to be homosexual, and male nurses are taught to be embarrassed of their profession (male nurses often say they are "RNs" or "medical professionals" out of this stigma).