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While I agree with much of this, I find the fact that it's signed "bitchwhocodes" remarkably hypocritical. If gender is so irrelevant, why put it up front in su

While I agree with much of this, I find the fact that it's signed "bitchwhocodes" remarkably hypocritical. If gender is so irrelevant, why put it up front in such an aggressive way?

sp332 14y ago
Because we don't live in that future yet.
- zekenie 14y ago
  Agreed. Also what you call yourself is different from what others call you...
- jeremysmyth 14y ago
  That may be true, but I know of many females on here who use androgynous names to avoid the (unfortunately all too common) sort of prejudice and sexualised conversation described in the post, and of some who use their real names and risk the same sort of unwelcome comments. While my username might give away the fact that I'm speaking from a position of "male privilege" (and that is a choice I made without having to consider that it was male privilege, which is itself a symptom of my male privilege), I don't think it's helpful for someone to use their username to signal an aggressive viewpoint, at the same time as urging a more moderate approach (honey-badger comment aside).
juridatenshi 14y ago
It's her twitter handle and looks like it's one she's been using for a good long while. Pretty sure she's just signing her work. Your comment reads a lot like a tone argument. That type of discourse is derailing and generally unproductive. :)
- jeremysmyth 14y ago
  I had no problem with her tone, actually, which was pretty much on the button.
- dfxm12 14y ago
  I didn't read this comment as a tone argument. Baseless accusations are also unproductive. :)
sdoering 14y ago
OK, was thinking the same. But got struck by the tone, that seems to radiate from your comment. Yes, I agree 100% with what the creator wrote. I am really, really sick with women earning less then men, having to fight harder, having to endure sexiest jokes and inappropriate comments. I really despise inequality. So, that said, I now have a problem. What ever I could no say, to discuss this issue and the site, might come about as as some kind of relativization. Because, I got sidelined by the twitter-handle. Whatever I had read to this point got covered in some judgmental-icing. My first emotion was sadness, that such an great site, such great words had been used for satire, as this was my first guess to what the handle meant. Sad, I know. Wrong, I know. But this was my first reaction.
rayiner 14y ago
I don't think the argument is so much that "gender is irrelevant" generally but that it's irrelevant in the specific contexts herein. The holy grail so to speak is being able to identify yourself as a woman an have it not matter.
tedks 14y ago
Gender should be irrelevant, but it is not currently irrelevant. It is highly relevant, and to ignore this is to ignore obvious reality, roughly equivalent to jumping off a cliff because reality is subjective and you believe that you can fly. I think the choice of that particular moniker has more to do with the fact that women are rarely both liked and respected in any professional field. Competent women are viewed as cold; warm women are viewed as incompetent. For a woman to be competent, she must be a bitch. This is obviously not the best state of affairs, but it is the way reality is.
- dominic_cocch 14y ago
  Very well put.
- rozap 14y ago
  Really? I wasn't aware. I thought I knew plenty of competent women who weren't "bitches". I guess I was mistaken.
  - tedks 14y ago
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004.00381.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004....
wilkie 14y ago
It's her chosen name. When you can choose a name, you do so based upon a tradeoff between comfort and identity. Women on the internet can't always afford both, and so choosing such a name seems powerful. It certainly is never hypocritical.

While I agree with much of this, I find the fact that it's signed "bitchwhocodes" remarkably hypocritical. If gender is so irrelevant, why put it up front in such an aggressive way?

sp332 14y ago

Because we don't live in that future yet.

zekenie 14y ago
Agreed. Also what you call yourself is different from what others call you...
jeremysmyth 14y ago
That may be true, but I know of many females on here who use androgynous names to avoid the (unfortunately all too common) sort of prejudice and sexualised conversation described in the post, and of some who use their real names and risk the same sort of unwelcome comments. While my username might give away the fact that I'm speaking from a position of "male privilege" (and that is a choice I made without having to consider that it was male privilege, which is itself a symptom of my male privilege), I don't think it's helpful for someone to use their username to signal an aggressive viewpoint, at the same time as urging a more moderate approach (honey-badger comment aside).

juridatenshi 14y ago

It's her twitter handle and looks like it's one she's been using for a good long while. Pretty sure she's just signing her work. Your comment reads a lot like a tone argument. That type of discourse is derailing and generally unproductive. :)

jeremysmyth 14y ago
I had no problem with her tone, actually, which was pretty much on the button.
dfxm12 14y ago
I didn't read this comment as a tone argument. Baseless accusations are also unproductive. :)

sdoering 14y ago

OK, was thinking the same. But got struck by the tone, that seems to radiate from your comment. Yes, I agree 100% with what the creator wrote. I am really, really sick with women earning less then men, having to fight harder, having to endure sexiest jokes and inappropriate comments. I really despise inequality. So, that said, I now have a problem. What ever I could no say, to discuss this issue and the site, might come about as as some kind of relativization. Because, I got sidelined by the twitter-handle. Whatever I had read to this point got covered in some judgmental-icing. My first emotion was sadness, that such an great site, such great words had been used for satire, as this was my first guess to what the handle meant. Sad, I know. Wrong, I know. But this was my first reaction.

rayiner 14y ago

I don't think the argument is so much that "gender is irrelevant" generally but that it's irrelevant in the specific contexts herein. The holy grail so to speak is being able to identify yourself as a woman an have it not matter.

tedks 14y ago

Gender should be irrelevant, but it is not currently irrelevant. It is highly relevant, and to ignore this is to ignore obvious reality, roughly equivalent to jumping off a cliff because reality is subjective and you believe that you can fly. I think the choice of that particular moniker has more to do with the fact that women are rarely both liked and respected in any professional field. Competent women are viewed as cold; warm women are viewed as incompetent. For a woman to be competent, she must be a bitch. This is obviously not the best state of affairs, but it is the way reality is.

dominic_cocch 14y ago
Very well put.
rozap 14y ago
Really? I wasn't aware. I thought I knew plenty of competent women who weren't "bitches". I guess I was mistaken.
- tedks 14y ago
  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004.00381.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0022-4537.2004....

wilkie 14y ago

It's her chosen name. When you can choose a name, you do so based upon a tradeoff between comfort and identity. Women on the internet can't always afford both, and so choosing such a name seems powerful. It certainly is never hypocritical.