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I don't think this is particularly controversial opinion to have at this point: http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery http://trends.builtwith.com/javasc

by jeresig 14y ago

I don't think this is particularly controversial opinion to have at this point: http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript

oinksoft 14y ago
Most websites fall into the former "only need to add a small piece of JS functionality are using jQuery" category. A whole lot of websites include jQuery in default frontend templates and don't even use it on the public-facing website (Drupal, WordPress, other software that has a huge installed base). Vague deployment statistics mean very little.
- flyosity 14y ago
  I'm not sure what you are saying. That people have jQuery loaded on their websites but aren't using it? If that's your argument, then that's now a wholly separate argument. jQuery having a huge installed base is what we're talking about, and is what John was referring to. Seems like you are changing your stance now that it's fairly obvious your assertion was incorrect in the face of research.
- phpnode 14y ago
  Clearly you have some kind of issue with jQuery but just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less popular, useful or prevalent. Here's a fun drinking game - open up the top 1000 websites and do a shot for each one that uses jQuery. You will be in hospital by about #20 I think.
  - oinksoft 14y ago
    None of the top five websites use jQuery. Of the top 20, I've got one fifth of them using jQuery: Amazon, eBay, Wikipedia, and MSN. Not in the hospital yet.
    - phpnode 14y ago
      but still the majority of them do, by a wide margin. I don't even know why you're debating this, it's completely obvious that jQuery has by far the largest mindshare. edit: ok now I get it, I had a look at your website. You like Closure so jQuery must suck, right? Also I would be in the hospital after 5 shots....
      - oinksoft 14y ago
        Well, don't provide a test like "you'll be in the hospital by #20" if you haven't vetted the results of it first. My personal advocacy for the Closure Tools does not discredit my views on other tools, and I'm hoping this ad hominem nonsense doesn't fly in such a forum. Quite a few people come into the IRC channel and are using the Closure Compiler with jQuery and I don't give them shit. I take no issue with you using, liking, preferring jQuery. You know why I like Closure? Because it makes the hard things possible. When you're talking about JavaScript running the web, it's websites like Gmail that matter the most. And you'd have a hell of a time getting Gmail to run as smoothy as it does using a library like jQuery, or even ExtJS.
        phpnode 14y ago
        you're right in that I should have checked first, and really if you think about it it's no surprise that YouTube, Yahoo, Google etc are using their own tools. That does not detract from the point that jQuery has massive, ridiculous mind share and completely dominates the web though. Your point about it being impossible to build a gmail style app in jQuery is extremely dubious. There are an awful lot of complicated JS apps built on jQuery.
        oinksoft 14y ago
        You seriously underestimate the complexity of Gmail. It may well be the most complex JavaScript application in existence with an appreciable user base.
        14y ago

by jeresig 14y ago

oinksoft 14y ago

Most websites fall into the former "only need to add a small piece of JS functionality are using jQuery" category. A whole lot of websites include jQuery in default frontend templates and don't even use it on the public-facing website (Drupal, WordPress, other software that has a huge installed base). Vague deployment statistics mean very little.

flyosity 14y ago
I'm not sure what you are saying. That people have jQuery loaded on their websites but aren't using it? If that's your argument, then that's now a wholly separate argument. jQuery having a huge installed base is what we're talking about, and is what John was referring to. Seems like you are changing your stance now that it's fairly obvious your assertion was incorrect in the face of research.
phpnode 14y ago
Clearly you have some kind of issue with jQuery but just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less popular, useful or prevalent. Here's a fun drinking game - open up the top 1000 websites and do a shot for each one that uses jQuery. You will be in hospital by about #20 I think.
- oinksoft 14y ago
  None of the top five websites use jQuery. Of the top 20, I've got one fifth of them using jQuery: Amazon, eBay, Wikipedia, and MSN. Not in the hospital yet.
  - phpnode 14y ago
    but still the majority of them do, by a wide margin. I don't even know why you're debating this, it's completely obvious that jQuery has by far the largest mindshare. edit: ok now I get it, I had a look at your website. You like Closure so jQuery must suck, right? Also I would be in the hospital after 5 shots....
    - oinksoft 14y ago
      Well, don't provide a test like "you'll be in the hospital by #20" if you haven't vetted the results of it first. My personal advocacy for the Closure Tools does not discredit my views on other tools, and I'm hoping this ad hominem nonsense doesn't fly in such a forum. Quite a few people come into the IRC channel and are using the Closure Compiler with jQuery and I don't give them shit. I take no issue with you using, liking, preferring jQuery. You know why I like Closure? Because it makes the hard things possible. When you're talking about JavaScript running the web, it's websites like Gmail that matter the most. And you'd have a hell of a time getting Gmail to run as smoothy as it does using a library like jQuery, or even ExtJS.
      - phpnode 14y ago
        you're right in that I should have checked first, and really if you think about it it's no surprise that YouTube, Yahoo, Google etc are using their own tools. That does not detract from the point that jQuery has massive, ridiculous mind share and completely dominates the web though. Your point about it being impossible to build a gmail style app in jQuery is extremely dubious. There are an awful lot of complicated JS apps built on jQuery.
        oinksoft 14y ago
        You seriously underestimate the complexity of Gmail. It may well be the most complex JavaScript application in existence with an appreciable user base.
        14y ago