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>Either you agree that Opera implemented standards as strictly as possible (really the only way when you your own rendering engine with such a small market shar

>Either you agree that Opera implemented standards as strictly as possible (really the only way when you your own rendering engine with such a small market share) while aiming for compatibility at the same time Noble aim but that doesn't work in the consumer world. I am pretty open-minded, so I am seriously trying to use Opera every 2 or 3 years. And each time I really start to enjoy using it but after one or two days I get horribly disappointed: a significant number of websites I like just doesn't work. Not just loss in function, they are completely unusuable, for instance I get a white page. Last time I did this try is probably 2 years ago. Last time I observed this behaviour with another non-IE-browser: at least 5 years ago, probably more like 8. There was a time when certain websites only worked with IE. Somehow Mozilla and friends adapted... but what happened to Opera? I cannot stop thinking that Opera somehow got stuck in the 90s. They are certainly innovative, they were the CSS pioneers, everybody copied tabs and other cool features. But still... When your rendering is incompatible to the real world, nobody will use you. So I can only agree: smart move. Maybe this will make Opera a serious competitor in the Browser market again. Anyway, I also agree, Opera still has a user base. I work on an in-house tool and we have users using Opera, so I test against it.

DanBC 14y ago
> Noble aim but that doesn't work in the consumer world. I am pretty open-minded, so I am seriously trying to use Opera every 2 or 3 years. And each time I really start to enjoy using it but after one or two days I get horribly disappointed: a significant number of websites I like just doesn't work. Not just loss in function, they are completely unusuable, for instance I get a white page. You're saying that's the fault of Opera when it's possibly the fault of lazy devs. You used to (still have?) devs testing for Opera and then preventing users going any further. Users would spoof the agent id string. So then devs started doing more tests, and rejecting Opera. (https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/browse_frm/month/2003-01/7e6d6a94db0c84bb?rnum=161&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.sysadmin.recovery%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2003-01%3F https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b...)
- blablabla123 14y ago
  >You're saying that's the fault of Opera when it's possibly the fault of lazy devs. Obviously it's "hobby devs" breaking the standards and Opera having low tolerance for that. As a matter of fact, a large part of the web's success is due to hobbyists. The hobbyists were only able to contribute to the success because it was and still is so easy. You don't have to be a HTML or JS guru to create a dynamic web page. On the other hand this allows for many devs that never even heard of HTML validators, JS linters etc. I think it's good that most HTML/JS implementations are very fault tolerant. It's good and the decline of XHTML, XSLT and friends underlines that. >You used to (still have?) devs testing for Opera and then preventing users going any further. Users would spoof the agent id string. So then devs started doing more tests, and rejecting Opera. >(https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b... https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b...) In 2003 Mozilla and friends had the same problem sometimes too.
  - prumek 14y ago
    > Opera having low tolerance for that Except that is not true. Opera has a high tolerance, probably much higher than any other browser (out of necessity). But that doesn't help much if you're being blocked or sites constantly find new bugs in other browsers they decide to work around and thereby breaking it in any browser that is not one of the top 3.

DanBC 14y ago

> Noble aim but that doesn't work in the consumer world. I am pretty open-minded, so I am seriously trying to use Opera every 2 or 3 years. And each time I really start to enjoy using it but after one or two days I get horribly disappointed: a significant number of websites I like just doesn't work. Not just loss in function, they are completely unusuable, for instance I get a white page. You're saying that's the fault of Opera when it's possibly the fault of lazy devs. You used to (still have?) devs testing for Opera and then preventing users going any further. Users would spoof the agent id string. So then devs started doing more tests, and rejecting Opera. (https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/browse_frm/month/2003-01/7e6d6a94db0c84bb?rnum=161&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.sysadmin.recovery%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2003-01%3F https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b...)

blablabla123 14y ago
>You're saying that's the fault of Opera when it's possibly the fault of lazy devs. Obviously it's "hobby devs" breaking the standards and Opera having low tolerance for that. As a matter of fact, a large part of the web's success is due to hobbyists. The hobbyists were only able to contribute to the success because it was and still is so easy. You don't have to be a HTML or JS guru to create a dynamic web page. On the other hand this allows for many devs that never even heard of HTML validators, JS linters etc. I think it's good that most HTML/JS implementations are very fault tolerant. It's good and the decline of XHTML, XSLT and friends underlines that. >You used to (still have?) devs testing for Opera and then preventing users going any further. Users would spoof the agent id string. So then devs started doing more tests, and rejecting Opera. >(https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b... https://groups.google.com/group/alt.sysadmin.recovery/tree/b...) In 2003 Mozilla and friends had the same problem sometimes too.
- prumek 14y ago
  > Opera having low tolerance for that Except that is not true. Opera has a high tolerance, probably much higher than any other browser (out of necessity). But that doesn't help much if you're being blocked or sites constantly find new bugs in other browsers they decide to work around and thereby breaking it in any browser that is not one of the top 3.