3 ms·

What, so Musk couldn't just give out the raw logs for the nerds to digest with the message that a more consumable version was on its way? It takes less than 2 m

What, so Musk couldn't just give out the raw logs for the nerds to digest with the message that a more consumable version was on its way? It takes less than 2 minutes to post the raw logs. In any case, for Tesla to present an analysis without also giving the raw logs removes any ability for the public to fact check the analysis.

eridius 14y ago
You're assuming that it's appropriate for Musk to release the raw logs. I have no idea what's actually collected, but it's quite possible that the logs contain data that either should not, or cannot, be released. As a simplistic example, just because the journalist agreed to let Tesla collect the logs from his trip doesn't mean that the journalist agreed to let the precise details about his driving habits get released to the public. And there could be more than just privacy concerns. Maybe the logs contain data related to Tesla trade secrets.
- slantyyz 14y ago
  If they can't release everything related to that trip, then it leaves Tesla wide open to the question that they just doctored up the analysis of the trip. In the same way we shouldn't take NYT's story at its word, we should not take Tesla at their word.
  - eridius 14y ago
    If you're going to be that paranoid, what's to stop you from accusing Tesla of doctoring the raw logs themselves if they do get released?
    - slantyyz 14y ago
      Nothing will. But look at the posts in the threads related to this story. There's plenty of paranoia going around, with the automatic presumption that the NYT had some axe to grind with the original story or financial incentives to embellish the story. I just think that any claims that Tesla makes deserves the same level of scrutiny that people here have been giving the NYT article.
brk 14y ago
Personally I would not expect them to release 'raw' logs. That would probably be confusing to most people and like many propriety logs contain lots of info that any geek bystander could not properly interpret fully accurately. However, given the visibility of this I would expect that they would make releasing appropriately annotated logs a priority.
- slantyyz 14y ago
  I doubt that they'll release the logs too. But when you are basically screaming out "You're lying, and I have proof of it" and then take your time delivering the proof, it doesn't look very good in the court of public opinion.

eridius 14y ago

You're assuming that it's appropriate for Musk to release the raw logs. I have no idea what's actually collected, but it's quite possible that the logs contain data that either should not, or cannot, be released. As a simplistic example, just because the journalist agreed to let Tesla collect the logs from his trip doesn't mean that the journalist agreed to let the precise details about his driving habits get released to the public. And there could be more than just privacy concerns. Maybe the logs contain data related to Tesla trade secrets.

slantyyz 14y ago
If they can't release everything related to that trip, then it leaves Tesla wide open to the question that they just doctored up the analysis of the trip. In the same way we shouldn't take NYT's story at its word, we should not take Tesla at their word.
- eridius 14y ago
  If you're going to be that paranoid, what's to stop you from accusing Tesla of doctoring the raw logs themselves if they do get released?
  - slantyyz 14y ago
    Nothing will. But look at the posts in the threads related to this story. There's plenty of paranoia going around, with the automatic presumption that the NYT had some axe to grind with the original story or financial incentives to embellish the story. I just think that any claims that Tesla makes deserves the same level of scrutiny that people here have been giving the NYT article.

brk 14y ago

Personally I would not expect them to release 'raw' logs. That would probably be confusing to most people and like many propriety logs contain lots of info that any geek bystander could not properly interpret fully accurately. However, given the visibility of this I would expect that they would make releasing appropriately annotated logs a priority.

slantyyz 14y ago
I doubt that they'll release the logs too. But when you are basically screaming out "You're lying, and I have proof of it" and then take your time delivering the proof, it doesn't look very good in the court of public opinion.