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As has been brought up in previous discussions, his primary role is as a "Green" correspondent, not an auto columnist. However, his inference wasn't all that c

As has been brought up in previous discussions, his primary role is as a "Green" correspondent, not an auto columnist. However, his inference wasn't all that crazy- consider, for example, that published mpg for the Prius is higher for city driving than on highways. Edit: Further, Tesla's own blog states the following, which could probably influence many to infer what Broder did: In contrast slower city driving speeds are more efficient and electric vehicles have a unique benefit in stop and go, low-speed driving due to regenerative braking http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-efficiency-and-range http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-efficiency-and-range

jonknee 14y ago
There's highway, city and "stop and go" city. It doesn't matter what kind of car you have, gridlock is going to be inefficient.
- doki_pen 14y ago
  But it could be less inefficient as driving 55mph on the highway with this particular car, no?
- antiterra 14y ago
  At some speed, driving fast on the highway will eventually be less efficient than driving in very bad gridlock. It isn't entirely unreasonable to incorrectly estimate the intersection of two causes of inefficiency in driving. It's probably possible to design a car so aerodynamically inefficient at 35+ mph that stop and go is preferable to cruising at even moderate speeds.
  - klinquist 14y ago
    ...although it should be noted that the Model S has the second best drag coefficient on the market today (it was the first before a new Benz was released in 2013): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient
cube13 14y ago
Unless the NYT has two John M. Broder's on staff, he's not exactly only a "green" correspondent, either. He was, at one point, the White House correspondent for the paper: http://news.fiu.edu/2010/04/new-york-times-political-correspondent-at-bbc-april-6/12913 http://news.fiu.edu/2010/04/new-york-times-political-corresp...
- antiterra 14y ago
  Well, I did say "primarily." Further, from your link (which is about a discussion on Climate Change and Energy legislation): After covering the 2008 presidential campaign, Broder took over coverage of energy and environment in Washington. He is responsible for following domestic legislative issues, advances and energy technology and international climate-change negotiations.
justinph 14y ago
Well, in fairness, my Prius lists the City/Hwy mileage as 60/53. In reality, it's more like 40/52. There certainly seems to be some disconnect between the EPA calculations for city driving and actual reality.

jonknee 14y ago

There's highway, city and "stop and go" city. It doesn't matter what kind of car you have, gridlock is going to be inefficient.

doki_pen 14y ago
But it could be less inefficient as driving 55mph on the highway with this particular car, no?
antiterra 14y ago
At some speed, driving fast on the highway will eventually be less efficient than driving in very bad gridlock. It isn't entirely unreasonable to incorrectly estimate the intersection of two causes of inefficiency in driving. It's probably possible to design a car so aerodynamically inefficient at 35+ mph that stop and go is preferable to cruising at even moderate speeds.
- klinquist 14y ago
  ...although it should be noted that the Model S has the second best drag coefficient on the market today (it was the first before a new Benz was released in 2013): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient

cube13 14y ago

Unless the NYT has two John M. Broder's on staff, he's not exactly only a "green" correspondent, either. He was, at one point, the White House correspondent for the paper: http://news.fiu.edu/2010/04/new-york-times-political-correspondent-at-bbc-april-6/12913 http://news.fiu.edu/2010/04/new-york-times-political-corresp...

antiterra 14y ago
Well, I did say "primarily." Further, from your link (which is about a discussion on Climate Change and Energy legislation): After covering the 2008 presidential campaign, Broder took over coverage of energy and environment in Washington. He is responsible for following domestic legislative issues, advances and energy technology and international climate-change negotiations.

justinph 14y ago

Well, in fairness, my Prius lists the City/Hwy mileage as 60/53. In reality, it's more like 40/52. There certainly seems to be some disconnect between the EPA calculations for city driving and actual reality.