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Isn't that a separate issue? I doubt that the speakers intend to put down women, they just lacked the insight that their comedic material makes some people feel

by VMG 14y ago

Isn't that a separate issue? I doubt that the speakers intend to put down women, they just lacked the insight that their comedic material makes some people feel uncomfortable.

diego_moita 14y ago
I don't think so (I am a man); in the end it all boils down to excluding women. My 4 year old boy goes to a day-care where one of the care givers is a man. I know of at least a mother that refused to leave her kid there scared that he was a sexual predator. The same prejudice is faced by male obstetricians. In the end, whenever you stigmatize a profession as belonging for a specific gender you do sexism, doesn't matter how you do it and who you target.
- VMG 14y ago
  I just can't see how making jokes that include sexual imagery are at the expense of women. Crude? yes - inappropriate? absolutely - funny? not in my mind - "against" women? I don't understand how. I make this distinction because I think about an old professors of mine who stupidly would try to make women welcome by saying things like "Nice to have such a beautiful young lady here". His intent was to make them feel better, but he didn't get that it doesn't work that way.
  - king_jester 14y ago
    > I just can't see how making jokes that include sexual imagery are at the expense of women. Note that it included sexual imagery of women, not just sexual imagery. Making a commodity of women's bodies is a big theme of sexism in media, so to introduce that kind of imagery at conference where women will be a smaller percentage of the audience compared to men, you are essentially saying that those women present don't have value outside of their bodies. This kind of thing is hugely alienating.
- rmc 14y ago
  Correct, gender roles and the patriachy are wrong. However it's mostly women that are excluded from more jobs. The idea that "men are excluded and discriminated as much as women" is false.
impendia 14y ago
It's not a separate issue. In my understanding, the point of the article is that it proves that sexism is much more prevalent, serious, and harmful than I am able to discern as a white male. Reading things like this make it much easier to emphasize with women (and men) who get upset over sexist humor. Also, sexism is not about intent, most of it isn't deliberate, and much of it is committed accidentally by people such as myself, despite my best intentions to generally do otherwise.

by VMG 14y ago

Isn't that a separate issue? I doubt that the speakers intend to put down women, they just lacked the insight that their comedic material makes some people feel uncomfortable.

diego_moita 14y ago

I don't think so (I am a man); in the end it all boils down to excluding women. My 4 year old boy goes to a day-care where one of the care givers is a man. I know of at least a mother that refused to leave her kid there scared that he was a sexual predator. The same prejudice is faced by male obstetricians. In the end, whenever you stigmatize a profession as belonging for a specific gender you do sexism, doesn't matter how you do it and who you target.

VMG 14y ago
I just can't see how making jokes that include sexual imagery are at the expense of women. Crude? yes - inappropriate? absolutely - funny? not in my mind - "against" women? I don't understand how. I make this distinction because I think about an old professors of mine who stupidly would try to make women welcome by saying things like "Nice to have such a beautiful young lady here". His intent was to make them feel better, but he didn't get that it doesn't work that way.
- king_jester 14y ago
  > I just can't see how making jokes that include sexual imagery are at the expense of women. Note that it included sexual imagery of women, not just sexual imagery. Making a commodity of women's bodies is a big theme of sexism in media, so to introduce that kind of imagery at conference where women will be a smaller percentage of the audience compared to men, you are essentially saying that those women present don't have value outside of their bodies. This kind of thing is hugely alienating.
rmc 14y ago
Correct, gender roles and the patriachy are wrong. However it's mostly women that are excluded from more jobs. The idea that "men are excluded and discriminated as much as women" is false.

impendia 14y ago

It's not a separate issue. In my understanding, the point of the article is that it proves that sexism is much more prevalent, serious, and harmful than I am able to discern as a white male. Reading things like this make it much easier to emphasize with women (and men) who get upset over sexist humor. Also, sexism is not about intent, most of it isn't deliberate, and much of it is committed accidentally by people such as myself, despite my best intentions to generally do otherwise.