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Feature parity? When I visit that website, I don't see: buttons, wells, tables, alerts, form elements, nav, progress bars or modals. Those are all things I use

Feature parity? When I visit that website, I don't see: buttons, wells, tables, alerts, form elements, nav, progress bars or modals. Those are all things I use from Bootstrap, and that I cannot find on Zurb's website. Maybe they are all there and I just don't know where to look. I have no idea who @fat and @mdo are, but their lack of being behind Zurb is certainly not the reason I haven't used it. The reason I don't use Zurb is, that every time I've seen someone mention it on HN, I visit it and see nothing but a grid.

ricardobeat 14y ago
You didn't try too hard, did you? http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/ http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/ If you visit Bootstrap's homepage (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/) you see even less features.
- jakejake 14y ago
  Perhaps neither he nor I tried hard, but I thought the exact same thing - that it was a grid layout system. I looked at all the first level pages and saw lots and lots of previews of grids, but nothing else. I only saw the other component because of your link here. Having to click in three levels before you see a screenshot if a button is perhaps misleading people into thinking there isn't as much there.
  - Kerrick 14y ago
    You don't have to click three levels in before you learn about buttons, it's on the front page of the Documentation, one click away from the homepage. Seeing every single button available is only one more click.
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  - ricardobeat 14y ago
    The Foundation page is built using itself. There are four buttons above the fold (download, watch on gw, follow, navbar download). In fact that's more than Bootstrap shows you. If you discount the big download button in the home page, you have to guess it's in 'Base CSS' (not Components) and navigate a few miles down. Anyway, all this rationalization on why everyone uses bootstrap is also funny. Who could imagine a CSS framework would get people so defensive?
    - jakejake 14y ago
      I'm glad somebody here posted the link to the docs page because the framework looks good. But calling people lazy - that's the type of attitude when you ask for user feedback and then argue with them that they're wrong. Look at the home page as a casual browser would. The first page has tons of screenshots... of grids. Click on "Features"... more grids. Click on "Add Ons"... more grids. Click on "Docs"... no screenshots! If I'm just casually glancing around, I feel like hitting every 1st level page is fair. All I saw was grids. Why would anybody be confused that a visitor might think this is a CSS layout/grid framework? Perhaps bootstrap cheats by putting their components onto one long scrolling page, but it does get 1st level nav and I see what it's about pretty quickly.
Kerrick 14y ago
Buttons: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/buttons.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/buttons.php Wells: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#panels http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#panels Tables: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#table http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#table Alerts: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#alerts http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#alerts Form elements: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/forms.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/forms.php Nav: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/navigation.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/navigation.php Progress bars: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#progress-bar http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#progress-bar Modals: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/reveal.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/reveal.php As for where to look, consider that http://foundation.zurb.com http://foundation.zurb.com is their project site, not their documentation site. For the documentation, look at http://foundation.zurb.com/docs http://foundation.zurb.com/docs or click the Docs link instead.

ricardobeat 14y ago

You didn't try too hard, did you? http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/ http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/ If you visit Bootstrap's homepage (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/) you see even less features.

jakejake 14y ago
Perhaps neither he nor I tried hard, but I thought the exact same thing - that it was a grid layout system. I looked at all the first level pages and saw lots and lots of previews of grids, but nothing else. I only saw the other component because of your link here. Having to click in three levels before you see a screenshot if a button is perhaps misleading people into thinking there isn't as much there.
- Kerrick 14y ago
  You don't have to click three levels in before you learn about buttons, it's on the front page of the Documentation, one click away from the homepage. Seeing every single button available is only one more click.
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- ricardobeat 14y ago
  The Foundation page is built using itself. There are four buttons above the fold (download, watch on gw, follow, navbar download). In fact that's more than Bootstrap shows you. If you discount the big download button in the home page, you have to guess it's in 'Base CSS' (not Components) and navigate a few miles down. Anyway, all this rationalization on why everyone uses bootstrap is also funny. Who could imagine a CSS framework would get people so defensive?
  - jakejake 14y ago
    I'm glad somebody here posted the link to the docs page because the framework looks good. But calling people lazy - that's the type of attitude when you ask for user feedback and then argue with them that they're wrong. Look at the home page as a casual browser would. The first page has tons of screenshots... of grids. Click on "Features"... more grids. Click on "Add Ons"... more grids. Click on "Docs"... no screenshots! If I'm just casually glancing around, I feel like hitting every 1st level page is fair. All I saw was grids. Why would anybody be confused that a visitor might think this is a CSS layout/grid framework? Perhaps bootstrap cheats by putting their components onto one long scrolling page, but it does get 1st level nav and I see what it's about pretty quickly.

Kerrick 14y ago

Buttons: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/buttons.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/buttons.php Wells: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#panels http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#panels Tables: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#table http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#table Alerts: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#alerts http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#alerts Form elements: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/forms.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/forms.php Nav: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/navigation.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/navigation.php Progress bars: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#progress-bar http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/elements.php#progress-bar Modals: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/reveal.php http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/reveal.php As for where to look, consider that http://foundation.zurb.com http://foundation.zurb.com is their project site, not their documentation site. For the documentation, look at http://foundation.zurb.com/docs http://foundation.zurb.com/docs or click the Docs link instead.