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Generally speaking I hate such lawsuits. However, we know who re-invented the phone and Samsung has a history of essentially cloning products. If someone copied

Generally speaking I hate such lawsuits. However, we know who re-invented the phone and Samsung has a history of essentially cloning products. If someone copied my/your code or website look we'd be pissed, especially if they sold it too as templates.

jiggy2011 14y ago
There's a difference between someone literally stealing your code and somebody just reimplementing something similar to what you have done.
- hcarvalhoalves 14y ago
  > There's a difference between someone literally stealing your code and somebody just reimplementing something similar to what you have done. Please, not again. Analogies between product design and code copyright do not work.
  - magicalist 14y ago
    that's exactly what jiggy2011 is saying, the two situations are not comparable.
dba7dba 14y ago
Let's just remember Apple has cloned others' ideas. Mouse. mp3 player. keyboard on macbook pro (originally on sony laptops). FaceTime? Done Asia/Europe for a few years before Apple came out with FaceTime. The way Apple was advertising it, it seemed as if Apple had invented it... And please, rounded corners on electronic gadgets? Lastly, the magnetic connector on macbook laptops? Many many years ago I bought a hot water pot (japanese model) that had with magnetic power connector. It was sold many years before macbook pro came out with the magnetic connectors.
- simonh 14y ago
  If they'd very publicly called out all the open technologies and standards they'd built on to develop it[1], would that be different? [1] http://goo.gl/SVPYO http://goo.gl/SVPYO
  - ZeroGravitas 14y ago
    Steve Jobs also announced that Facetime itself would soon be an open standard. http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-never-happened/2012-12-06 http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-...
ZeroGravitas 14y ago
I've often wondered if Samsung was offended that Apple passed off the "A4" chip that they designed and built as their own work. I mean Samsung knew that Apple was asking them to put an Apple logo on this, and other, Samsung chips, so I assume they knew what was going on. Still, there must have been someone going "thermonuclear" inside Samsung, to see his credit stolen so brazenly.
- msh 14y ago
  Do you have a source to the a4 being Samsung designed?
  - ZeroGravitas 14y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4#Design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4#Design "The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[12] in collaboration with Samsung.[13] The resulting core, dubbed "Hummingbird", is able to run at far higher clock rates than other implementations while remaining fully compatible with the Cortex-A8 design provided by ARM.[14] Other performance improvements include additional L2 cache. The same Cortex-A8 CPU core used in the A4 is also used in Samsung's S5PC110A01 SoC.[15][16]"
    - simonh 14y ago
      That comment only refers to the core. These SOC designs include a considerable amount of other components and it's the selection of which of these components to include, how to arrange them and how to optimise the overall system constitutes the design, which was done by the team at Apple (including many engineers that used to work for Intrinsity, no doubt). e.g in the next paragraph after your quote from the same Wikipedia article: "RAM is connected to the processor using ARM's 64-bit-wide AMBA 3 AXI bus. This is twice the width of the RAM data bus used in previous ARM 11 and ARM 9 based Apple devices" The cores are the same - ARM cores are widely reused and licensed in different SOC designs - but they are just one part of the overall SOC which also includes graphics cores, DSPs, I/O controllers, sensors such as gyroscopes and inertial sensors, radio circuitry, etc.

jiggy2011 14y ago

There's a difference between someone literally stealing your code and somebody just reimplementing something similar to what you have done.

hcarvalhoalves 14y ago
> There's a difference between someone literally stealing your code and somebody just reimplementing something similar to what you have done. Please, not again. Analogies between product design and code copyright do not work.
- magicalist 14y ago
  that's exactly what jiggy2011 is saying, the two situations are not comparable.

dba7dba 14y ago

Let's just remember Apple has cloned others' ideas. Mouse. mp3 player. keyboard on macbook pro (originally on sony laptops). FaceTime? Done Asia/Europe for a few years before Apple came out with FaceTime. The way Apple was advertising it, it seemed as if Apple had invented it... And please, rounded corners on electronic gadgets? Lastly, the magnetic connector on macbook laptops? Many many years ago I bought a hot water pot (japanese model) that had with magnetic power connector. It was sold many years before macbook pro came out with the magnetic connectors.

simonh 14y ago
If they'd very publicly called out all the open technologies and standards they'd built on to develop it[1], would that be different? [1] http://goo.gl/SVPYO http://goo.gl/SVPYO
- ZeroGravitas 14y ago
  Steve Jobs also announced that Facetime itself would soon be an open standard. http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-never-happened/2012-12-06 http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-...

ZeroGravitas 14y ago

I've often wondered if Samsung was offended that Apple passed off the "A4" chip that they designed and built as their own work. I mean Samsung knew that Apple was asking them to put an Apple logo on this, and other, Samsung chips, so I assume they knew what was going on. Still, there must have been someone going "thermonuclear" inside Samsung, to see his credit stolen so brazenly.

msh 14y ago
Do you have a source to the a4 being Samsung designed?
- ZeroGravitas 14y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4#Design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4#Design "The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[12] in collaboration with Samsung.[13] The resulting core, dubbed "Hummingbird", is able to run at far higher clock rates than other implementations while remaining fully compatible with the Cortex-A8 design provided by ARM.[14] Other performance improvements include additional L2 cache. The same Cortex-A8 CPU core used in the A4 is also used in Samsung's S5PC110A01 SoC.[15][16]"
  - simonh 14y ago
    That comment only refers to the core. These SOC designs include a considerable amount of other components and it's the selection of which of these components to include, how to arrange them and how to optimise the overall system constitutes the design, which was done by the team at Apple (including many engineers that used to work for Intrinsity, no doubt). e.g in the next paragraph after your quote from the same Wikipedia article: "RAM is connected to the processor using ARM's 64-bit-wide AMBA 3 AXI bus. This is twice the width of the RAM data bus used in previous ARM 11 and ARM 9 based Apple devices" The cores are the same - ARM cores are widely reused and licensed in different SOC designs - but they are just one part of the overall SOC which also includes graphics cores, DSPs, I/O controllers, sensors such as gyroscopes and inertial sensors, radio circuitry, etc.