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The criticism of Angular's Transclusion is spot on. I like Angular, but the concept and description of Transclusion is very confusing.

by jweir 14y ago

brown9-2 14y ago
I've been working my way through my first app using Angular this weekend, and after the stellar tutorial and introduction to the framework, I have to say the documentation becomes very technical very fast. The transclusion snippet isn't the only part that feels like it was written by experts for experts.
- gphreak 14y ago
  You might want to have a look at http://egghead.io/ http://egghead.io/ if you haven't already. John manages to explain topics in simple terms and examples, usually much easier to digest than the official documentation.
- slmt 14y ago
  I haven't gone through all the egghead.io tutorials yet, but I suspect transclusion is addressed in one of the screencasts.
- jonny_eh 14y ago
  The learning curve definitely hits a trough at a certain point but you'll get through. It's totally worth it, I'm glad I stuck with it.
methehack 14y ago
Picking on transclusion seems really unfair. It's a well known rough spot in the docs and has been addressed in a bunch of places outside the formal docs that aren't hard to find. Plus, you can do tons with the framework without touching on it at all. To quote it, as the article does, as if its typical of the framework is disingenous. IME, the angular docs are way easier to understand than the ember docs and they're more accurate too. I've tried twice with the ember docs, and yes recently, and both times I gave up in eye-rolling wtf frustration. I'd love to use the framework, but there's only so far I'm willing to travel barefoot. The thing that bothers me most about this whole ember vs angular thing is that there seems like a crypto-subtext here. I'm not sure what exactly is going on but there's definitely an "open source mafia" versus "big corporate google guys" thing happening. I think, maybe, the fear from the open source mafia end is that google is going to cram deep support for angular into chrome -- this is not insane and would prolly make sense technically if not for those pesky standards -- and that ultimately this is going to do other frameworks a disservice. Wild speculation alert, okay, but still some politicizing of the the debate is definitely flying around here. I'd be happier if it were out in the open.
- SkyMarshal 14y ago
  >The thing that bothers me most about this whole ember vs angular thing is that there seems like a crypto-subtext here. I'm not sure what exactly is going on but there's definitely an "open source mafia" versus "big corporate google guys" thing happening. I thought that was weird too: >Angular, for example, is sponsored by Google, and while I think the project would continue even if they abandoned it, it is important to me that the Ember community didn’t spring out of a corporate sponsorship. So, Chromium, GWT, Closure Compiler, Android, the now open-sourced Wave, and the fact that Google runs completely on FOSS isn't enough to reassure him on Angular? I don't anything could.
ubersoldat2k7 14y ago
I simply abstracted my self from trying to understand that part and I've been living happily. Although sometimes I feel the need to re-read it, feel frustration and read something else.

The criticism of Angular's Transclusion is spot on. I like Angular, but the concept and description of Transclusion is very confusing.

by jweir 14y ago

The criticism of Angular's Transclusion is spot on. I like Angular, but the concept and description of Transclusion is very confusing.

brown9-2 14y ago

I've been working my way through my first app using Angular this weekend, and after the stellar tutorial and introduction to the framework, I have to say the documentation becomes very technical very fast. The transclusion snippet isn't the only part that feels like it was written by experts for experts.

gphreak 14y ago
You might want to have a look at http://egghead.io/ http://egghead.io/ if you haven't already. John manages to explain topics in simple terms and examples, usually much easier to digest than the official documentation.
slmt 14y ago
I haven't gone through all the egghead.io tutorials yet, but I suspect transclusion is addressed in one of the screencasts.
jonny_eh 14y ago
The learning curve definitely hits a trough at a certain point but you'll get through. It's totally worth it, I'm glad I stuck with it.

methehack 14y ago

Picking on transclusion seems really unfair. It's a well known rough spot in the docs and has been addressed in a bunch of places outside the formal docs that aren't hard to find. Plus, you can do tons with the framework without touching on it at all. To quote it, as the article does, as if its typical of the framework is disingenous. IME, the angular docs are way easier to understand than the ember docs and they're more accurate too. I've tried twice with the ember docs, and yes recently, and both times I gave up in eye-rolling wtf frustration. I'd love to use the framework, but there's only so far I'm willing to travel barefoot. The thing that bothers me most about this whole ember vs angular thing is that there seems like a crypto-subtext here. I'm not sure what exactly is going on but there's definitely an "open source mafia" versus "big corporate google guys" thing happening. I think, maybe, the fear from the open source mafia end is that google is going to cram deep support for angular into chrome -- this is not insane and would prolly make sense technically if not for those pesky standards -- and that ultimately this is going to do other frameworks a disservice. Wild speculation alert, okay, but still some politicizing of the the debate is definitely flying around here. I'd be happier if it were out in the open.

SkyMarshal 14y ago
>The thing that bothers me most about this whole ember vs angular thing is that there seems like a crypto-subtext here. I'm not sure what exactly is going on but there's definitely an "open source mafia" versus "big corporate google guys" thing happening. I thought that was weird too: >Angular, for example, is sponsored by Google, and while I think the project would continue even if they abandoned it, it is important to me that the Ember community didn’t spring out of a corporate sponsorship. So, Chromium, GWT, Closure Compiler, Android, the now open-sourced Wave, and the fact that Google runs completely on FOSS isn't enough to reassure him on Angular? I don't anything could.

ubersoldat2k7 14y ago

I simply abstracted my self from trying to understand that part and I've been living happily. Although sometimes I feel the need to re-read it, feel frustration and read something else.