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rolls eyes It's just a standard image of a woman wearing a hat that has a lot of dynamic colors and allows people to check and compare graphic transforms easil

rolls eyes It's just a standard image of a woman wearing a hat that has a lot of dynamic colors and allows people to check and compare graphic transforms easily - there is nothing offensive about it. Unless, of course, you find colorful pictures of women wearing hats offensive.

StavrosK 14y ago
Erm, you might want to take a look at this (NSFW): http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  Except that's not the complete story, is it? The complete story is that Lenna is from a culture where nobody makes that big a deal out of human sexuality, and that she was surprised and "pleasantly amused" when she learned of her indirect contribution to image processing technology.
  - StavrosK 14y ago
    I'm just pointing out that the photo is more than the headshot. My culture doesn't make a big deal out of human sexuality either, and, as for the sexism issue, I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole on HN, because any opinion with the word "woman" in it somehow turns out to be sexist (probably including this one).
    - derleth 14y ago
      > I'm just pointing out that the photo is more than the headshot. Not the photo that's actually used. Every photo is cropped, and a lot of great photos were cropped after they were taken. So it is with the photo of her used in the computer graphics world. Just to make it clearer: There's a valid reason a photo of a human being showing some skin is used. Humans know, at a very deep level, what skin is supposed to look like. If the colors of skin are somewhat wrong, we'll know. We'll also know if the shape of the face is somewhat wrong, for example, which makes it easier to see other kinds of errors or infelicitous compression artifacts. All of this is further helped by using the same image in a wide variety of contexts over a long period of time.
      - StavrosK 14y ago
        > Not the photo that's actually used. I've seen the full photo used, but that's probably because we don't really have a problem with nudes, and it's an iconic image.
  - thwest 14y ago
    I want computer vision's culture to not be a subset of cultures that are sexually open. I'm not personally offended, but I don't think we should risk turning away the contributions to computer vision from people who are slighted by the use of pornography in a scientific context.
- jrogers65 14y ago
  She's beautiful. What's so wrong about appreciating someone's body? You don't see this kind of reaction to nude male models - that is where the real sexism is, IMO.
  - quasque 14y ago
    Imagery of nude male models (or sexualized masculinity in general) rarely features in material related to computer science or software development, so a lack of reaction in this context is to be expected.
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      Just as a sanity check: you are aware that graphics texts and papers don't use the entire Playboy photo, correct? I wonder if we're arguing about the same thing.
    - jrogers65 14y ago
      Point still stands that the material used in the software development field has no nudity in it what-so-ever. So it's a crop from a nude, big deal. Is it also wrong if a non-nude image of a porn actress is used? What about a non-nude of a regular woman? She's been naked at some point, after all. Why is the fact that it's from a nude shot considered demeaning? Because it's from a porno magazine? So what? I could kind of understand if it was a segment of an image from a hardcore scene but the full photo is actually quite tasteful. If I ever get the opportunity, I'll use a crop from a nude male photo to prove my point. I would bet a year's salary that there would be no backlash. There are far bigger issues in the world to be indignant about than this. We have people dying of thirst and hunger when we technically have enough resources to feed every person on the planet yet there are individuals full of anger regarding trivialities like this where everything is consensual, nobody was hurt and nothing bad happened. I believe that the correct term for this is "theatre of the absurd".
      - quasque 14y ago
        "There are far bigger issues in the world to be indignant about than this. We have people dying of thirst and hunger when we technically have enough resources to feed every person on the planet yet there are individuals full of anger regarding trivialities like this where everything is consensual, nobody was hurt and nothing bad happened." By this logic, one could never discuss anything other than poverty, famine, and other terrible plights upon humanity. Yet here we are, talking about such a variety of different topics.

StavrosK 14y ago

Erm, you might want to take a look at this (NSFW): http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html http://www.lenna.org/full/len_full.html

CamperBob2 14y ago
Except that's not the complete story, is it? The complete story is that Lenna is from a culture where nobody makes that big a deal out of human sexuality, and that she was surprised and "pleasantly amused" when she learned of her indirect contribution to image processing technology.
- StavrosK 14y ago
  I'm just pointing out that the photo is more than the headshot. My culture doesn't make a big deal out of human sexuality either, and, as for the sexism issue, I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole on HN, because any opinion with the word "woman" in it somehow turns out to be sexist (probably including this one).
  - derleth 14y ago
    > I'm just pointing out that the photo is more than the headshot. Not the photo that's actually used. Every photo is cropped, and a lot of great photos were cropped after they were taken. So it is with the photo of her used in the computer graphics world. Just to make it clearer: There's a valid reason a photo of a human being showing some skin is used. Humans know, at a very deep level, what skin is supposed to look like. If the colors of skin are somewhat wrong, we'll know. We'll also know if the shape of the face is somewhat wrong, for example, which makes it easier to see other kinds of errors or infelicitous compression artifacts. All of this is further helped by using the same image in a wide variety of contexts over a long period of time.
    - StavrosK 14y ago
      > Not the photo that's actually used. I've seen the full photo used, but that's probably because we don't really have a problem with nudes, and it's an iconic image.
- thwest 14y ago
  I want computer vision's culture to not be a subset of cultures that are sexually open. I'm not personally offended, but I don't think we should risk turning away the contributions to computer vision from people who are slighted by the use of pornography in a scientific context.
jrogers65 14y ago
She's beautiful. What's so wrong about appreciating someone's body? You don't see this kind of reaction to nude male models - that is where the real sexism is, IMO.
- quasque 14y ago
  Imagery of nude male models (or sexualized masculinity in general) rarely features in material related to computer science or software development, so a lack of reaction in this context is to be expected.
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    Just as a sanity check: you are aware that graphics texts and papers don't use the entire Playboy photo, correct? I wonder if we're arguing about the same thing.
  - jrogers65 14y ago
    Point still stands that the material used in the software development field has no nudity in it what-so-ever. So it's a crop from a nude, big deal. Is it also wrong if a non-nude image of a porn actress is used? What about a non-nude of a regular woman? She's been naked at some point, after all. Why is the fact that it's from a nude shot considered demeaning? Because it's from a porno magazine? So what? I could kind of understand if it was a segment of an image from a hardcore scene but the full photo is actually quite tasteful. If I ever get the opportunity, I'll use a crop from a nude male photo to prove my point. I would bet a year's salary that there would be no backlash. There are far bigger issues in the world to be indignant about than this. We have people dying of thirst and hunger when we technically have enough resources to feed every person on the planet yet there are individuals full of anger regarding trivialities like this where everything is consensual, nobody was hurt and nothing bad happened. I believe that the correct term for this is "theatre of the absurd".
    - quasque 14y ago
      "There are far bigger issues in the world to be indignant about than this. We have people dying of thirst and hunger when we technically have enough resources to feed every person on the planet yet there are individuals full of anger regarding trivialities like this where everything is consensual, nobody was hurt and nothing bad happened." By this logic, one could never discuss anything other than poverty, famine, and other terrible plights upon humanity. Yet here we are, talking about such a variety of different topics.