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Maybe one could do an experiment in online job marketplaces: change the gender of a large number of work providers and observe how payouts change. Do you reall

Maybe one could do an experiment in online job marketplaces: change the gender of a large number of work providers and observe how payouts change. Do you really think that the problem is that enough studies haven't been done? The linked article mentions a study on the gender pay gap in academia[0], the results section of which includes "After   accounting  for [ underrepresentation of women at the full Professor level allocation of faculty members across departmental units, and experience]  there  remains  an unexplained  female  pay  disadvantage  of  about  $3000.  This  finding  is  robust  to  alternative  specifications  of  the  gender  gap  decomposition." and later "... the  female  salary  disadvantage  found  in  the  study  can be  interpreted  as  a  lower  bound." There is a similar study based on results from the financial industry, which if anything is even more extreme[1]   "The gender pay gap for annual gross earnings in the sector is 60 per cent." "There is a gender gap of 80 per cent for performance-related pay" "The gender pay gap in finance sector companies cannot be explained away as a historical legacy. Analysis of salaries for new recruits shows that in 86 percent of the cases reported to us, women have lower salaries than men." "In 63 per cent of cases more than half of all job grades/categories exhibited a significant gender pay gap." [0] http://www.facultyassociation.ubc.ca/docs/news/GenderPayEquity_UBCV%20Report%20Recommendation%20Committee2012-07.pdf http://www.facultyassociation.ubc.ca/docs/news/GenderPayEqui... [1] http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/financial_services_inquiry_report.pdf http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/financial_...

return0 14y ago
I know there is a gender pay gap. The question is: how do we know it's not justified? Presumably the pay reflects the work done
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  - smsm42 14y ago
    It's a huge presumption, but it's equally huge presumption that every person on the planet secretly hates women and isn't even aware of it. Either one needs proof to be called true, and neither is proven by just stating the statistics and postulating that one's favorite explanation is the right one.
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  - bromang 14y ago
    This does not demonstrate any bias unless you decide that we can assume men and women with the same CV are equal in all respects
- ivanmilles 14y ago
  >how do we know it's not justified? Presumably the pay reflects the work done. Again, do you think studies haven't been done? That's the core of the discussion: pay does not reflect the work done, and it is sometimes even inverted.
- andreasvc 14y ago
  That's nonsense. The work of a financial executive might be quantified by how much money the company is making, but judging the output of a professor is completely subjective. Sure you can do some bean counting by looking at the number of publications and citations, but 10 years of work condensed in one paper may just be more of a contribution than 10 derivative papers, or not, it's difficult to tell without hindsight, and even then presumably lots of work is under-appreciated. My conclusion is that we cannot with a straight face claim that we can justify such a pay gap in this case, so whether it is justified is the wrong question.

return0 14y ago

I know there is a gender pay gap. The question is: how do we know it's not justified? Presumably the pay reflects the work done

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- smsm42 14y ago
  It's a huge presumption, but it's equally huge presumption that every person on the planet secretly hates women and isn't even aware of it. Either one needs proof to be called true, and neither is proven by just stating the statistics and postulating that one's favorite explanation is the right one.
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- bromang 14y ago
  This does not demonstrate any bias unless you decide that we can assume men and women with the same CV are equal in all respects
ivanmilles 14y ago
>how do we know it's not justified? Presumably the pay reflects the work done. Again, do you think studies haven't been done? That's the core of the discussion: pay does not reflect the work done, and it is sometimes even inverted.
andreasvc 14y ago
That's nonsense. The work of a financial executive might be quantified by how much money the company is making, but judging the output of a professor is completely subjective. Sure you can do some bean counting by looking at the number of publications and citations, but 10 years of work condensed in one paper may just be more of a contribution than 10 derivative papers, or not, it's difficult to tell without hindsight, and even then presumably lots of work is under-appreciated. My conclusion is that we cannot with a straight face claim that we can justify such a pay gap in this case, so whether it is justified is the wrong question.