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No, my main point was that it's not pure bias, there might be real reasons why women get paid less and men are considered bad fathers (personally, i don't agree
by return0 14y ago
No, my main point was that it's not pure bias, there might be real reasons why women get paid less and men are considered bad fathers (personally, i don't agree with both statements, but see the wsj article). I suggest, if we want to get rid of this bias, change the underlying situation that perpetuates it (e.g. not by introducing gender quotas, but by making childraising less time-consuming, or educating men to be better fathers and getting rid of ridiculous stereotypes that are perpetuated in mass culture).
- shardling 14y agoYou have (I hope unwittingly?) just fulfilled one of the specific tropes she does mention.
- return0 14y ago... And which she outright dismisses citing an irrelevant study. (I did mention it's a poor article, didn't i?) When we talk about real-life statistical evidence, that’s not conclusive, either, because all differences are explained by women having babies, other priorities, etc (Except they’re not, as the linked document explains very clearly.) The linked document is a report with some recommendations about how to measure pay gap Btw, can someone explain the usage of the word "trope" here?
- shardling 14y agoA trope is a recurring theme. In this context, it refers to highly predictable responses to particular arguments. I don't think the post was super well written, but I also don't see how the cited study was irrelevant -- it shows the existence of a gender bias that operates completely independently of the choices of any individual woman: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/09/19/scientists-your-gender-bias-is-showing/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/09/19/...