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It's funny that he praises Trevor Owens, but the picture on Trevor's Facebook page shows him (apparently) speaking at a conference: http://www.facebook.com/trev

It's funny that he praises Trevor Owens, but the picture on Trevor's Facebook page shows him (apparently) speaking at a conference: http://www.facebook.com/trevor.owens http://www.facebook.com/trevor.owens Not to pick on Trevor but what qualifies him to run a lean/entrepreneurial workshop? Has he had a successful startup? If not, how is that any better than being a "conference ho"? This post is weak-sauce IMO

rubbingalcohol 14y ago
Weak sauce because it's untrue, or weak sauce because the author and/or his cohorts are allegedly part of the same group he's criticizing? I think the term "ballers on a budget" is often inapplicable to the types of waste and inefficiency I observe in the tech scene. My take is that the author thought this was a clever term and tried to relate it to something he knew about, but it doesn't really fit. I propose the term "idiots with no idea what they're doing with their investors' money" since that seems to fit better to the types of people the author is trying to talk about.
- callmeed 14y ago
  Weak sauce because it was a bit incoherent and the counter example didn't seem much better. I've never really seen any poser CEOs at the conferences I attend. Usually genuinely successful founders or legitimate hackers. Maybe I'm going to the wrong events.
trevor99 14y ago
absolutely nothing qualifies me to run a lean/entrepreneurial workshop. except our workshops kick fucking ass. what qualifies you to start a business? what qualifies anyone to do anything?
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- callmeed 14y ago
  Take a step back and think about what you just said. Many startups can be launched without any specific qualifications or experience. You can learn as you go, fumble around, yet still find product-market fit and grow. I've done it and so have many others. Maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but once you enter the realm of teacher/speaker/mentor/workshop-runner, I thought it was sort of assumed that you've previously put your knowledge to the test and at least tried to build something. Hell, even if you tried something and it was a huge smoldering failure, that's better than jumping on stage as soon as you close your copy of the Lean Startup. Sorry, I really don't mean any disrespect. I just don't want to see an ecosystem of "startups teaching people how to build startups that teach people how to build startups" I've seen it in other industries and it sucks.
  - trevor99 14y ago
    No worries. I didn't mean to sound harsh in my tone. I thought your comment was a snap judgement without any real research. If you did do research you would know that I don't do all of the teaching, we bring in experts from every location, just like a conference.
- gnaritas 14y ago
  > absolutely nothing qualifies me to run a lean/entrepreneurial workshop. except our workshops kick fucking ass. If your advice isn't proven, by what possible standard can the workshops kick ass? > what qualifies you to start a business? what qualifies anyone to do anything? Starting a business isn't giving advice, it's doing the work to know what advice to give, and unless one succeeds at doing so, one doesn't have advice worth being heard. If I want to be a successful entrepreneur, I'm not taking advice from someone who hasn't been a successful entrepreneur; I'm amazed anyone would. One shouldn't teach what one can't do.
- kingnothing 14y ago
  Not necessarily the best tone for this crowd, although I definitely did enjoy and get much out of the multi-day workshop we did last year. We're still applying the principles company-wide, but Trevor does offer a solid product.
  - trevor99 14y ago
    Thanks. Apologies on the tone.

rubbingalcohol 14y ago

Weak sauce because it's untrue, or weak sauce because the author and/or his cohorts are allegedly part of the same group he's criticizing? I think the term "ballers on a budget" is often inapplicable to the types of waste and inefficiency I observe in the tech scene. My take is that the author thought this was a clever term and tried to relate it to something he knew about, but it doesn't really fit. I propose the term "idiots with no idea what they're doing with their investors' money" since that seems to fit better to the types of people the author is trying to talk about.

callmeed 14y ago
Weak sauce because it was a bit incoherent and the counter example didn't seem much better. I've never really seen any poser CEOs at the conferences I attend. Usually genuinely successful founders or legitimate hackers. Maybe I'm going to the wrong events.

trevor99 14y ago

absolutely nothing qualifies me to run a lean/entrepreneurial workshop. except our workshops kick fucking ass. what qualifies you to start a business? what qualifies anyone to do anything?

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callmeed 14y ago
Take a step back and think about what you just said. Many startups can be launched without any specific qualifications or experience. You can learn as you go, fumble around, yet still find product-market fit and grow. I've done it and so have many others. Maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but once you enter the realm of teacher/speaker/mentor/workshop-runner, I thought it was sort of assumed that you've previously put your knowledge to the test and at least tried to build something. Hell, even if you tried something and it was a huge smoldering failure, that's better than jumping on stage as soon as you close your copy of the Lean Startup. Sorry, I really don't mean any disrespect. I just don't want to see an ecosystem of "startups teaching people how to build startups that teach people how to build startups" I've seen it in other industries and it sucks.
- trevor99 14y ago
  No worries. I didn't mean to sound harsh in my tone. I thought your comment was a snap judgement without any real research. If you did do research you would know that I don't do all of the teaching, we bring in experts from every location, just like a conference.
gnaritas 14y ago
> absolutely nothing qualifies me to run a lean/entrepreneurial workshop. except our workshops kick fucking ass. If your advice isn't proven, by what possible standard can the workshops kick ass? > what qualifies you to start a business? what qualifies anyone to do anything? Starting a business isn't giving advice, it's doing the work to know what advice to give, and unless one succeeds at doing so, one doesn't have advice worth being heard. If I want to be a successful entrepreneur, I'm not taking advice from someone who hasn't been a successful entrepreneur; I'm amazed anyone would. One shouldn't teach what one can't do.
kingnothing 14y ago
Not necessarily the best tone for this crowd, although I definitely did enjoy and get much out of the multi-day workshop we did last year. We're still applying the principles company-wide, but Trevor does offer a solid product.
- trevor99 14y ago
  Thanks. Apologies on the tone.