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He seems to be trying to portray himself as a victim here, but he acknowledges that he was the initiator - he spoke out stridently, insultingly in violent and p

by zmmmmm 14y ago

He seems to be trying to portray himself as a victim here, but he acknowledges that he was the initiator - he spoke out stridently, insultingly in violent and profane language against a whole field. He then explains how terribly he was treated (even though in most of his actual numbers there's a pretty good balance between positive and neutral comments), and characterises it as a "low quality discourse" His solution is to keep doing it but avoid "public unmoderated fora" because then he can initiate all the monkey dances he wants and apparently he believes people will then civilly discuss what he has said. I would propose he continue to post publicly (there were valuable things in what he wrote) but if he avoids profanity, insults, extreme and disrespectful statements then he probably won't initiate monkey dances. NB: the thread about "only two computationally difficult problems" is worth a read as there is definitely more there than his characterisation would leave you to believe: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5123746 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5123746

eduardordm 14y ago
One post of my blog got some attention days ago. I unfortunately had to turn comments off for that specific post, I was quite insulted. I got impressed by the level of thought people were putting into those insults. Some of them went to my linkedin account to read an un-updated bio and used it to formulate the craziest theories about a post that didn't criticize anything, was just some info+entertainment. One of the insults was so impressive that I actually emailed the person asking what the hell was that, he just apologized and said he didn't fully read the article. I'm starting to think everybody is a bit schizophrenic.
- vy8vWJlco 14y ago
  > "I'm starting to think everybody is a bit schizophrenic." Given the "online disinhibition effect," I think that observation can be considered a statistic (the presence of that trend demonstrates real, if hidden, attitudes). The collective response is naturally quite defensive and misanthropic. (Heck, people still burn "witches"... Or anyone else they are afraid of.) Even before the Internet, it was obvious that the criticism of strangers was harsher than the criticism of friends and colleagues. Addressing strangers is the new norm, but it's far from second nature. I think some of the schizophrenia can be attributed to the natural tendency to fear the unknown (racism, etc), and to another very basic thought process: 1) I want people to think I'm important/knowledgeable (Internet "street cred"). 2) OK, I have to at least post something if people are going to know I'm awesome. 3) So, what's my opinion? (People post to type, not because they have a thoughtful insight.) 4) I'm short on time... I'll just skim... 5) Post the first thing that passes the spell check. ("Boy, I sure tore him a new one.") 6) Profit!!! (The Karma comes rolling in... See 1) (The rest of the misanthropy might have medical and economic components.) The group-think phenomena, however, has negative and positive attributes though, so please don't choose to be pessimistic ("not participating in public, unmoderated fora") simply because of the presence of the negative ones. We should all try to be more respectful, and understanding, but I'm convinced that the absence of another thoughtful voice will only amplify those of the bullies.
pdonis 14y ago
He seems to be trying to portray himself as a victim here I don't see that; it doesn't seem like he cares about the comments at all except as an indicator that it's not worth his time participating in public fora. Which is a judgment call he's entirely entitled to make for himself. he spoke out stridently, insultingly in violent and profane language against a whole field. Intended for an audience that was used to his rants, and could take what he said in context. He wasn't the one who posted it to reddit. avoid "public unmoderated fora" because then he can initiate all the monkey dances he wants and apparently he believes people will then civilly discuss what he has said. Which is what the group he intended the rant for did. In other words, what he did was not a "monkey dance", and his "belief" was based on actual fact.
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by zmmmmm 14y ago

eduardordm 14y ago

One post of my blog got some attention days ago. I unfortunately had to turn comments off for that specific post, I was quite insulted. I got impressed by the level of thought people were putting into those insults. Some of them went to my linkedin account to read an un-updated bio and used it to formulate the craziest theories about a post that didn't criticize anything, was just some info+entertainment. One of the insults was so impressive that I actually emailed the person asking what the hell was that, he just apologized and said he didn't fully read the article. I'm starting to think everybody is a bit schizophrenic.

vy8vWJlco 14y ago
> "I'm starting to think everybody is a bit schizophrenic." Given the "online disinhibition effect," I think that observation can be considered a statistic (the presence of that trend demonstrates real, if hidden, attitudes). The collective response is naturally quite defensive and misanthropic. (Heck, people still burn "witches"... Or anyone else they are afraid of.) Even before the Internet, it was obvious that the criticism of strangers was harsher than the criticism of friends and colleagues. Addressing strangers is the new norm, but it's far from second nature. I think some of the schizophrenia can be attributed to the natural tendency to fear the unknown (racism, etc), and to another very basic thought process: 1) I want people to think I'm important/knowledgeable (Internet "street cred"). 2) OK, I have to at least post something if people are going to know I'm awesome. 3) So, what's my opinion? (People post to type, not because they have a thoughtful insight.) 4) I'm short on time... I'll just skim... 5) Post the first thing that passes the spell check. ("Boy, I sure tore him a new one.") 6) Profit!!! (The Karma comes rolling in... See 1) (The rest of the misanthropy might have medical and economic components.) The group-think phenomena, however, has negative and positive attributes though, so please don't choose to be pessimistic ("not participating in public, unmoderated fora") simply because of the presence of the negative ones. We should all try to be more respectful, and understanding, but I'm convinced that the absence of another thoughtful voice will only amplify those of the bullies.

pdonis 14y ago

He seems to be trying to portray himself as a victim here I don't see that; it doesn't seem like he cares about the comments at all except as an indicator that it's not worth his time participating in public fora. Which is a judgment call he's entirely entitled to make for himself. he spoke out stridently, insultingly in violent and profane language against a whole field. Intended for an audience that was used to his rants, and could take what he said in context. He wasn't the one who posted it to reddit. avoid "public unmoderated fora" because then he can initiate all the monkey dances he wants and apparently he believes people will then civilly discuss what he has said. Which is what the group he intended the rant for did. In other words, what he did was not a "monkey dance", and his "belief" was based on actual fact.

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