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How I Force Myself to Take Breaks

33 points by weslly 14y ago

GotAnyMegadeth 14y ago
Looks like a good idea. Though I wouldn't want that to happen in the middle of me explaining something important to a co-worker...
jonknee 14y ago
... I just set a timer on my phone. That way I can finish my thought (if needed).
lucb1e 14y ago
How hard is it to just walk away when a script tells you to or even forces you out for 1 minute or so? And besides that I know dvorak (I could pick another lay-out), most of my passwords are muscle-memory. I don't actually know them. I once saw a password of mine somewhere in a saved passwords list, thinking it was one I must have used once and then forgotten, but it turned out (after trying it) that I type it almost every day. It also wouldn't be the first time that I have to lookup a keyboard layout to login to our router. Yes, passphrases are probably a better idea, but by the time I realized this I already had enough strong passwords remembered. Most of my passwords are also designed to be fast to type (on a qwerty keyboard, that is) while still providing enough entropy, so passphrases would be slower. Anyway, this tool won't work for me, and it looks a lot like addiction to me if you can't walk away when someone or something tells you to. I forget the time often enough, but unless playing in a clanmatch or something, I don't need a screensaver to blank my screen and lock me out.
- recycleme 14y ago
  I'm getting off topic, but I'm amazed that you don't actually know some of the passwords you are typing. Also, if your passwords are becoming muscle memory, isn't it time to change them? > Anyway, this tool won't work for me, and it looks a lot like addiction to me if you can't walk away when someone or something tells you to. That's an interesting thought because people actually do go thru working addictions (aka workaholics). However, I don't know any workaholics that install this kind of software or monitor when they should take breaks. Perhaps this could apply to a recovering workaholic though.
  - lucb1e 14y ago
    > if your passwords are becoming muscle memory, isn't it time to change them? Somehow I feel they're safer in muscle memory than in 'normal' memory. There has been a research project once which stored the password in muscle memory by using some sort of game. It got quite a lot of attention, but I don't remember what it was called or anything... Passwords in muscle memory are quickly and easily typed on almost any normal keyboard. It's actually harder to type them slowly. Like with phone numbers that you know by heart, you need to recite it from the beginning (without pausing for too long) if someone asks the last five digits. This fast typing makes it harder for onlookers to figure out what it is, although most people are probably able to type quickly enough that you can't make out their password regardless. But yes, it is impractical at times. On the other hand, what new password can I easily use? It's not that easy to remember a randomly chosen sequence, passphrases are not accepted everywhere (needs digits, or are too long, or...), and it only adds to the list of passwords to try before I can login somewhere. Right now I have a few classifications for passwords. Unsecure sites (no https, unimportant, or bad storage like LM hashes) get a low-grade password, and the best passwords are used only on extremely high profile websites and accounts (like my e-mail password). When I get more new passwords, I'll have to somehow remember if the account was before or after the switch. That's gonna be messy, and I prefer not to try too many passwords. The website could log invalid logins or even collect passwords, and the connection can usually get intercepted (https is not as widespread as I would like). And there is the problem of getting locked out after too many invalid logins. I have enough passwords and variations that 3 times just aren't always enough attempts.
    - philwelch 14y ago
      Get a good encrypted password manager so you can generate and store separate random strings for all your web passwords. Problem solved.
    - recycleme 14y ago
      > Somehow I feel they're safer in muscle memory than in 'normal' memory. From my understanding, muscle memory is formed when a task is repeated frequently. It's basically like your "normal" memory caching these motions. So, in theory, you should at least _know_ your memory cached passwords. > And there is the problem of getting locked out after too many invalid logins. I have enough passwords and variations that 3 times just aren't always enough attempts. Ah, I hate it when that happens. Have you tried using a password manager like LastPass or 1password? edit: https://lastpass.com/ https://lastpass.com/
unwind 14y ago
The (rather convoluted) plan seems to consider Dvorak so fantastically hard, that the user never just learns to write his/her password using it, but must look up a reference on a different machine every time. I've never used Dvorak, but I think I would be able to memorize a single string after having been forced to type it, after a while.
- agrona 14y ago
  When I first started learning dvorak, my passwords consisted of a,m, the numbers and ~ (these keys are in the same positions as they are on QWERTY).
- jacalata 14y ago
  Well, the idea here is that you are very rarely actually forced to type it (most of the time, you go ahead and take the break). Let's posit a user who really needs to log back in within the timeout period once every two weeks (which seems unreasonably often to me), has a reasonably complex password, and changes their password every three months (normal workplace requirement, in my experience). They will type the password 6 times, at widely spaced intervals. I think most people would not memorise it under these conditions. And if you find yourself going and spending time practicing, or you do end up memorising it because you log back in every three days or more, it's time to admit that either you are regularly literally dealing with fires at work and can't afford to take breaks, or you have deep issues with just chilling for a minute.
  - simonwjackson 14y ago
    Well put. If you keep logging after this hack activates, then you know you have a problem..
jonheller 14y ago
I'm a fan of the BreakTime app for something similar (and a bit easier). But I find it very challenging to be forced into breaks, especially for how often you are supposed to take them. I think what would be ideal is a script that would detect when my system was idle for, say, 15 or 30 seconds. It would then check the last time I took my break. If it had been past a predetermined time, then it would prompt me for a break. With forced break apps I find it very annoying to be interrupted in the middle of a thought, or line of code, and end up disabling those apps.
tbatterii 14y ago
or smoke breaks. not the healthiest thing to do, but it does make you take regular breaks.
mike_esspe 14y ago
I'm doing juggling breaks every time, when I'm stuck or need a time to think. Not sure why it works for me, timers were not working, i just ignored them.
wikwocket 14y ago
Hmm, I never seem to have this problem. ;) Clever solution though!
nanoscopic 14y ago
A couple of flaws with this: 1. After being forced to type it in once, I would remember the password in the scrambled form 2. Cutting off active thought processes during mid-thought would cause certain ideas to be lost 3. If you work for an employer who expects you to work constantly, they are going to complain when you very clearly sit in front of a locked screen periodically.
carlisle_ 14y ago
This should be instead titled "How to force yourself to learn Dvorak."
bromagosa 14y ago
My trick may sound stupid, but it does work and is beneficial in two senses. What I do is to drink quite a lot of water while coding. I have a 1 litre bottle that I must empty and refill at least twice a day. Every time I need to refill the bottle or... empty myself, I seize the opportunity to rest for 5 minutes. That's all. I guarantee you will get up from your chair and leave everything you're doing.
- typicalrunt 14y ago
  This. It's free (or cheap), easy, and is good for your health (and not just because you are taking a break). I've been doing this for over 10 years, starting from when I realized that I was getting sicker and more unhealthy just sitting at my desk for extended periods of time (> 4 hrs straight).
- cake 14y ago
  I do the same with tea. I have a cup all day long and need to boil water, clean stuff, pee etc from time to time which forces me to disconnect my eyes from the screen.
- arocks 14y ago
  I was about to post the exact same thing. It is the best means to ensure breaks. Plus, to counter all the ill effects of sitting, you have to stand up!
- Dirlewanger 14y ago
  If one drinks caffeine, alternate with coffee and water. Both will guarantee to get you up at least once an hour and the water replenishes water lost from the caffeine.
  - NegativeK 14y ago
    Caffeinated drinks are always a net gain in water in the body. Otherwise, individuals who drank nothing but caffeinated sodas would die of dehydration.
    - 14y ago
city41 14y ago
Pomodoro was a popular technique for this, has it fallen out of fashion? I used Pomodoro a lot and liked it quite a bit. At my current job we pair program mostly, and Pomodoro doesn't work so well in that situation.
- simonwjackson 14y ago
  I'm actually using some pomodoro software for mac to achieve this hack.
bstpierre 14y ago
Check out workrave: http://www.workrave.org/ http://www.workrave.org/ Same idea, easier to set up, and includes some animated exercises you can do at the start of your breaks
- enraged_camel 14y ago
  I used it for a while and found it to be terribly annoying. The breaks tended to come up right in the middle of my flow periods and interrupt everything, costing me a ton of productivity.
RyanZAG 14y ago
For people who don't need to be actively locked out of their computers in order to have the sense to take a break, but still often forget to take a break for hours: Search for an 'hourly chime' app on your smartphone, have it go off every hour on the hour with a nice big ben or similar sound. This works for me, anyway. Most of the time.
- neya 14y ago
  Thanks Ryan, such a simple concept, but easily over-looked! Will install it :)
- simonwjackson 14y ago
  This is a good tip. I think Mac has this built in to the OS.
karanmg 14y ago
Have you checked out TimeOut http://www.dejal.com/timeout/ http://www.dejal.com/timeout/

33 points by weslly 14y ago

Looks like a good idea. Though I wouldn't want that to happen in the middle of me explaining something important to a co-worker...

jonknee 14y ago

... I just set a timer on my phone. That way I can finish my thought (if needed).

lucb1e 14y ago

How hard is it to just walk away when a script tells you to or even forces you out for 1 minute or so? And besides that I know dvorak (I could pick another lay-out), most of my passwords are muscle-memory. I don't actually know them. I once saw a password of mine somewhere in a saved passwords list, thinking it was one I must have used once and then forgotten, but it turned out (after trying it) that I type it almost every day. It also wouldn't be the first time that I have to lookup a keyboard layout to login to our router. Yes, passphrases are probably a better idea, but by the time I realized this I already had enough strong passwords remembered. Most of my passwords are also designed to be fast to type (on a qwerty keyboard, that is) while still providing enough entropy, so passphrases would be slower. Anyway, this tool won't work for me, and it looks a lot like addiction to me if you can't walk away when someone or something tells you to. I forget the time often enough, but unless playing in a clanmatch or something, I don't need a screensaver to blank my screen and lock me out.

recycleme 14y ago
I'm getting off topic, but I'm amazed that you don't actually know some of the passwords you are typing. Also, if your passwords are becoming muscle memory, isn't it time to change them? > Anyway, this tool won't work for me, and it looks a lot like addiction to me if you can't walk away when someone or something tells you to. That's an interesting thought because people actually do go thru working addictions (aka workaholics). However, I don't know any workaholics that install this kind of software or monitor when they should take breaks. Perhaps this could apply to a recovering workaholic though.
- lucb1e 14y ago
  > if your passwords are becoming muscle memory, isn't it time to change them? Somehow I feel they're safer in muscle memory than in 'normal' memory. There has been a research project once which stored the password in muscle memory by using some sort of game. It got quite a lot of attention, but I don't remember what it was called or anything... Passwords in muscle memory are quickly and easily typed on almost any normal keyboard. It's actually harder to type them slowly. Like with phone numbers that you know by heart, you need to recite it from the beginning (without pausing for too long) if someone asks the last five digits. This fast typing makes it harder for onlookers to figure out what it is, although most people are probably able to type quickly enough that you can't make out their password regardless. But yes, it is impractical at times. On the other hand, what new password can I easily use? It's not that easy to remember a randomly chosen sequence, passphrases are not accepted everywhere (needs digits, or are too long, or...), and it only adds to the list of passwords to try before I can login somewhere. Right now I have a few classifications for passwords. Unsecure sites (no https, unimportant, or bad storage like LM hashes) get a low-grade password, and the best passwords are used only on extremely high profile websites and accounts (like my e-mail password). When I get more new passwords, I'll have to somehow remember if the account was before or after the switch. That's gonna be messy, and I prefer not to try too many passwords. The website could log invalid logins or even collect passwords, and the connection can usually get intercepted (https is not as widespread as I would like). And there is the problem of getting locked out after too many invalid logins. I have enough passwords and variations that 3 times just aren't always enough attempts.
  - philwelch 14y ago
    Get a good encrypted password manager so you can generate and store separate random strings for all your web passwords. Problem solved.
  - recycleme 14y ago
    > Somehow I feel they're safer in muscle memory than in 'normal' memory. From my understanding, muscle memory is formed when a task is repeated frequently. It's basically like your "normal" memory caching these motions. So, in theory, you should at least _know_ your memory cached passwords. > And there is the problem of getting locked out after too many invalid logins. I have enough passwords and variations that 3 times just aren't always enough attempts. Ah, I hate it when that happens. Have you tried using a password manager like LastPass or 1password? edit: https://lastpass.com/ https://lastpass.com/

unwind 14y ago

The (rather convoluted) plan seems to consider Dvorak so fantastically hard, that the user never just learns to write his/her password using it, but must look up a reference on a different machine every time. I've never used Dvorak, but I think I would be able to memorize a single string after having been forced to type it, after a while.

agrona 14y ago
When I first started learning dvorak, my passwords consisted of a,m, the numbers and ~ (these keys are in the same positions as they are on QWERTY).
jacalata 14y ago
Well, the idea here is that you are very rarely actually forced to type it (most of the time, you go ahead and take the break). Let's posit a user who really needs to log back in within the timeout period once every two weeks (which seems unreasonably often to me), has a reasonably complex password, and changes their password every three months (normal workplace requirement, in my experience). They will type the password 6 times, at widely spaced intervals. I think most people would not memorise it under these conditions. And if you find yourself going and spending time practicing, or you do end up memorising it because you log back in every three days or more, it's time to admit that either you are regularly literally dealing with fires at work and can't afford to take breaks, or you have deep issues with just chilling for a minute.
- simonwjackson 14y ago
  Well put. If you keep logging after this hack activates, then you know you have a problem..

jonheller 14y ago

I'm a fan of the BreakTime app for something similar (and a bit easier). But I find it very challenging to be forced into breaks, especially for how often you are supposed to take them. I think what would be ideal is a script that would detect when my system was idle for, say, 15 or 30 seconds. It would then check the last time I took my break. If it had been past a predetermined time, then it would prompt me for a break. With forced break apps I find it very annoying to be interrupted in the middle of a thought, or line of code, and end up disabling those apps.

tbatterii 14y ago

or smoke breaks. not the healthiest thing to do, but it does make you take regular breaks.

mike_esspe 14y ago

I'm doing juggling breaks every time, when I'm stuck or need a time to think. Not sure why it works for me, timers were not working, i just ignored them.

wikwocket 14y ago

Hmm, I never seem to have this problem. ;) Clever solution though!

nanoscopic 14y ago

A couple of flaws with this: 1. After being forced to type it in once, I would remember the password in the scrambled form 2. Cutting off active thought processes during mid-thought would cause certain ideas to be lost 3. If you work for an employer who expects you to work constantly, they are going to complain when you very clearly sit in front of a locked screen periodically.

carlisle_ 14y ago

This should be instead titled "How to force yourself to learn Dvorak."

bromagosa 14y ago

My trick may sound stupid, but it does work and is beneficial in two senses. What I do is to drink quite a lot of water while coding. I have a 1 litre bottle that I must empty and refill at least twice a day. Every time I need to refill the bottle or... empty myself, I seize the opportunity to rest for 5 minutes. That's all. I guarantee you will get up from your chair and leave everything you're doing.

typicalrunt 14y ago
This. It's free (or cheap), easy, and is good for your health (and not just because you are taking a break). I've been doing this for over 10 years, starting from when I realized that I was getting sicker and more unhealthy just sitting at my desk for extended periods of time (> 4 hrs straight).
cake 14y ago
I do the same with tea. I have a cup all day long and need to boil water, clean stuff, pee etc from time to time which forces me to disconnect my eyes from the screen.
arocks 14y ago
I was about to post the exact same thing. It is the best means to ensure breaks. Plus, to counter all the ill effects of sitting, you have to stand up!
Dirlewanger 14y ago
If one drinks caffeine, alternate with coffee and water. Both will guarantee to get you up at least once an hour and the water replenishes water lost from the caffeine.
- NegativeK 14y ago
  Caffeinated drinks are always a net gain in water in the body. Otherwise, individuals who drank nothing but caffeinated sodas would die of dehydration.
  - 14y ago

city41 14y ago

Pomodoro was a popular technique for this, has it fallen out of fashion? I used Pomodoro a lot and liked it quite a bit. At my current job we pair program mostly, and Pomodoro doesn't work so well in that situation.

simonwjackson 14y ago
I'm actually using some pomodoro software for mac to achieve this hack.

bstpierre 14y ago

Check out workrave: http://www.workrave.org/ http://www.workrave.org/ Same idea, easier to set up, and includes some animated exercises you can do at the start of your breaks

enraged_camel 14y ago
I used it for a while and found it to be terribly annoying. The breaks tended to come up right in the middle of my flow periods and interrupt everything, costing me a ton of productivity.

RyanZAG 14y ago

For people who don't need to be actively locked out of their computers in order to have the sense to take a break, but still often forget to take a break for hours: Search for an 'hourly chime' app on your smartphone, have it go off every hour on the hour with a nice big ben or similar sound. This works for me, anyway. Most of the time.

neya 14y ago
Thanks Ryan, such a simple concept, but easily over-looked! Will install it :)
simonwjackson 14y ago
This is a good tip. I think Mac has this built in to the OS.

karanmg 14y ago

Have you checked out TimeOut http://www.dejal.com/timeout/ http://www.dejal.com/timeout/