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Let me put it another way: it pains me to see mediocre companies like Canonical chase the latest fad with "me too" products. If more people could recognize fai

by codex 14y ago

Let me put it another way: it pains me to see mediocre companies like Canonical chase the latest fad with "me too" products. If more people could recognize failure ahead of time, perhaps we would get more true innovation somewhere else, or at least real attempts at home run, big bet initiatives. The world is full of opportunities to make original contributions. Look at Elon Musk: he may fail, but at least he is a prime mover.

Argorak 14y ago
a) you seem to have a serious personal problem with Canonical. b) Ubuntu Phone is certainly not a me-too product. Its and interesting iteration of the concept, especially with the ability of running a fully-fledged desktop.
- codex 14y ago
  Interestingly, for a time some Android handset manufacturers put out concept phones that could dock with laptop shells; when the phone was in the dock, you got a desktop version of Android, and your phone OS was still running in a window in that desktop. In fact, the mobile OS switched over to running in a virtual machine and the desktop OS took over the hardware. Interesting stuff but it went nowhere. Apple had a different take, patenting a method to place all of your desktop apps and settings on your phone (and possibly the OS itself) allowing you to use any Mac as if it were your own. Not productized yet, of course.
  - Argorak 14y ago
    Yep. You say the magic words: "not productized yet, of course." So Ubuntu phone is novel, except to all of us geeks and is an interesting way to break into the desktop market. Also, it doesn't use the "2 VM"-Concept: it is one operating system with 2 shells from the ground up, not tacked onto Android. Microsoft had awesome touch devices quite a while ago (I played around with a Surface table and really liked it, int its rough state), but didn't execute. And thats the important part of it. If Canonical executes that idea, they will be first in their niche.
    - codex 14y ago
      That is one interpretation. However, given Android and Apple's proven ability to execute, I suspect this feature was never productized because it's not mainstream enough to matter. They looked at it, and shelved it. Even BlackBerry didn't do it, and their new phone is chock full of cool stuff. Personally, I think even "non mainstream" is too generous; it's a Hail Mary feature. That said, if Canonical can subsist on a fraction of 1.74% Linux market share (as measured by browser usage), perhaps they can subsist on a fraction of that in the mobile phone market, too.

by codex 14y ago

Argorak 14y ago

a) you seem to have a serious personal problem with Canonical. b) Ubuntu Phone is certainly not a me-too product. Its and interesting iteration of the concept, especially with the ability of running a fully-fledged desktop.

codex 14y ago
Interestingly, for a time some Android handset manufacturers put out concept phones that could dock with laptop shells; when the phone was in the dock, you got a desktop version of Android, and your phone OS was still running in a window in that desktop. In fact, the mobile OS switched over to running in a virtual machine and the desktop OS took over the hardware. Interesting stuff but it went nowhere. Apple had a different take, patenting a method to place all of your desktop apps and settings on your phone (and possibly the OS itself) allowing you to use any Mac as if it were your own. Not productized yet, of course.
- Argorak 14y ago
  Yep. You say the magic words: "not productized yet, of course." So Ubuntu phone is novel, except to all of us geeks and is an interesting way to break into the desktop market. Also, it doesn't use the "2 VM"-Concept: it is one operating system with 2 shells from the ground up, not tacked onto Android. Microsoft had awesome touch devices quite a while ago (I played around with a Surface table and really liked it, int its rough state), but didn't execute. And thats the important part of it. If Canonical executes that idea, they will be first in their niche.
  - codex 14y ago
    That is one interpretation. However, given Android and Apple's proven ability to execute, I suspect this feature was never productized because it's not mainstream enough to matter. They looked at it, and shelved it. Even BlackBerry didn't do it, and their new phone is chock full of cool stuff. Personally, I think even "non mainstream" is too generous; it's a Hail Mary feature. That said, if Canonical can subsist on a fraction of 1.74% Linux market share (as measured by browser usage), perhaps they can subsist on a fraction of that in the mobile phone market, too.