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[citation needed] I have not seen anything that suggests that any single Android phone yet outsells the “latest” iOS phone on a full quarter basis. In CQ3 2012

[citation needed] I have not seen anything that suggests that any single Android phone yet outsells the “latest” iOS phone on a full quarter basis. In CQ3 2012, the S3 topped the iPhone 4S by a couple million “shipments” (vs verified sales), but that's not surprising because the iPhone 5 was introduced. I didn't pay attention to the recent earnings reports, though, so it's entirely possible that this changed this quarter—but I have my doubts.

jarcoal 14y ago
Citation most certainly needed. I have a feeling the iPhone 4 is still outselling the S3.
- laumars 14y ago
  The S3 is the biggest selling handset. Even beating the 4s as well: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013723/samsungs-galaxy-s-iii-outsells-the-iphone-4s.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013723/samsungs-galaxy-s-iii...
  - jarcoal 14y ago
    That is fairly old data sampled at an extremely favorable time for the S3.
    - laumars 14y ago
      Whatever mate. I love how Apple fanboys will make up any old BS to justify their biases.
- halostatue 14y ago
  I don't have any evidence to support this, but I suspect that the ranking is: 1. iPhone 5 2. SGS3 2. iPhone 4S 4. iPhone 4 This fits, more or less, with what I saw on the uSwitch site that our erstwhile correspondent indirectly referred to. I "tied" 4S and SGS3 because they're going to go to different needs. I suspect that the SGS3 is roughly the same "price" as the 4S (it's actually $20 more with a contract at bell.ca) but includes LTE which the 4S does not. Unless Apple changes its release cycle (unlikely, IMO, but entirely possible given the rapid iteration from iPad 3 to iPad 4 + iPad mini), CQ3'13 will probably see the SGS4 outsell the iPhone 5—for the same reason that the SGS3 outsold the iPhone 4S: a new lead product from Apple was introduced. Is it possible that the SGSx becomes the most popular phone for more than an Apple introductory quarter? Yes. Samsung is investing VERY heavily in brand marketing (see Asymco for an analysis on that, but it's something like 13x Apple's entire marketing budgest) and the SGS3 is supposed to be a Very Good Phone. Claiming that this is true now, however, is an Extraordinary Claim, requiring Extraordinary Evidence.
  - jarcoal 14y ago
    After doing some research, I think your list is exactly correct.
    - laumars 14y ago
      [citation needed]
laumars 14y ago
I didn't provide citation because it had been so widely reported that I assumed most people were aware. This was only the first hit in Google - so there'll be other reports as well: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsells-iphone-5-to-remain-uk-s-most-popular-smartphone http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsell...
- halostatue 14y ago
  There are a lot of assertions there…with zero numbers reported. None. FTA: “The latest figures, which are based on live searches, pre-orders and pay monthly sales that have been compiled by uSwitch…” In other words, this isn't UK-wide, it's an estimate based 100% on the information collected by uSwitch.com (http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/ http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/), and they are a price-comparison site (meaning that people are simply looking for the best deals). As of today, the #1 phone on uSwitch is…the iPhone 5 (16GB). The PCWorld article (in a niece comment) is similarly problematic—and it reports exactly the same thing I already said. The S3 reportedly outshipped (no proof that it actually outsold, sorry; Samsung doesn't report verifiable shipments, and has never reported sales) the iPhone 4S in CQ3'12—the very quarter that Apple released the iPhone 5. It's therefore unsurprising that the S3 would outsell the iPhone 4 (which would see a sales decrease as the interest in and sales of the iPhone 5 pick up). It did not keep this position for CQ4'12 (Apple's FQ1'13), where the iPhone 5 topped the S3 and any other individual Android device in most, if not all, markets. Yes, Android outsells Apple collectively, but you read something that isn't evidenced by the facts.
  - laumars 14y ago
    I wont bother next time as it's pretty clear that you're a fanboy so any evidence presented to you would be dismissed. The RDF is strong in this one
    - halostatue 14y ago
      Fanboy is shorthand for “I have no evidence to counter your assertions, therefore I‘m going to say that nothing I can say could convince you differently because you’re unable to be convinced.” It’s a winning combination of ad hominem and tautological statement rolled into one. It's also a technique only used by people who have lost an argument they shouldn't have started in the first place. You pointed to two articles: one which had no numbers (and whose actual source currently contradicts your assertion) and is therefore suspect; the other which had numbers, but that I had already addressed in my initial response and acknowledged. For a very brief moment, the S3 did, indeed, outship‡ the iPhone 4S in CQ3'12. It has not, however, kept that sales position against the latest iPhone for CQ4'12. It's entirely possible that the S3 or the eventual S4 will take the crown from the iPhone as the most successful mobile phone. I can point you to this note by Strategy Analytics which suggests that, in the U.S., at least, Apple became the largest mobile phone vendor—not just of smartphones, but of all mobile phones in CQ4'12. http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/WDS/post/2013/02/01/Apple-Becomes-Largest-Mobile-Phone-Vendor-in-United-States-in-Q4-2012.aspx http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/WDS/post/2013/02/01/Apple... I do happen to be a fan of quality products (and consider Apple products to be generally higher quality than non-Apple products), and far prefer the iOS ecosystem to the Android ecosystem (I don't have enough money to spend on random gadgets to be as disappointed as I was with the N7 on a regular basis; on the other hand, the N7 has only gotten better since I bought it, so Android is getting better incrementally). I am not, however, uncritically supportive of Apple. What I am is dismissive of claims without merit—like yours were. The only RDF involved is the one you seem to have that suggests for Android to win, Apple must lose. I happen to think that there is room for quality products from a variety of vendors. As much as I don't think that RIMM^WBlackBerry’s chances are very good anymore, I do have a desire to see them succeed, in part because I know people who have worked there, and, well, they're Canadian. ‡ Shipments aren't sales, but you don't keep high shipments of the sales are not there (cf. Blackberry Playbook), so it's a reasonable proxy, even if it's probably incorrect by a few percentage points at any given time because of channel stuffing.

jarcoal 14y ago

Citation most certainly needed. I have a feeling the iPhone 4 is still outselling the S3.

laumars 14y ago
The S3 is the biggest selling handset. Even beating the 4s as well: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013723/samsungs-galaxy-s-iii-outsells-the-iphone-4s.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013723/samsungs-galaxy-s-iii...
- jarcoal 14y ago
  That is fairly old data sampled at an extremely favorable time for the S3.
  - laumars 14y ago
    Whatever mate. I love how Apple fanboys will make up any old BS to justify their biases.
halostatue 14y ago
I don't have any evidence to support this, but I suspect that the ranking is: 1. iPhone 5 2. SGS3 2. iPhone 4S 4. iPhone 4 This fits, more or less, with what I saw on the uSwitch site that our erstwhile correspondent indirectly referred to. I "tied" 4S and SGS3 because they're going to go to different needs. I suspect that the SGS3 is roughly the same "price" as the 4S (it's actually $20 more with a contract at bell.ca) but includes LTE which the 4S does not. Unless Apple changes its release cycle (unlikely, IMO, but entirely possible given the rapid iteration from iPad 3 to iPad 4 + iPad mini), CQ3'13 will probably see the SGS4 outsell the iPhone 5—for the same reason that the SGS3 outsold the iPhone 4S: a new lead product from Apple was introduced. Is it possible that the SGSx becomes the most popular phone for more than an Apple introductory quarter? Yes. Samsung is investing VERY heavily in brand marketing (see Asymco for an analysis on that, but it's something like 13x Apple's entire marketing budgest) and the SGS3 is supposed to be a Very Good Phone. Claiming that this is true now, however, is an Extraordinary Claim, requiring Extraordinary Evidence.
- jarcoal 14y ago
  After doing some research, I think your list is exactly correct.
  - laumars 14y ago
    [citation needed]

laumars 14y ago

I didn't provide citation because it had been so widely reported that I assumed most people were aware. This was only the first hit in Google - so there'll be other reports as well: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsells-iphone-5-to-remain-uk-s-most-popular-smartphone http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsell...

halostatue 14y ago
There are a lot of assertions there…with zero numbers reported. None. FTA: “The latest figures, which are based on live searches, pre-orders and pay monthly sales that have been compiled by uSwitch…” In other words, this isn't UK-wide, it's an estimate based 100% on the information collected by uSwitch.com (http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/ http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/), and they are a price-comparison site (meaning that people are simply looking for the best deals). As of today, the #1 phone on uSwitch is…the iPhone 5 (16GB). The PCWorld article (in a niece comment) is similarly problematic—and it reports exactly the same thing I already said. The S3 reportedly outshipped (no proof that it actually outsold, sorry; Samsung doesn't report verifiable shipments, and has never reported sales) the iPhone 4S in CQ3'12—the very quarter that Apple released the iPhone 5. It's therefore unsurprising that the S3 would outsell the iPhone 4 (which would see a sales decrease as the interest in and sales of the iPhone 5 pick up). It did not keep this position for CQ4'12 (Apple's FQ1'13), where the iPhone 5 topped the S3 and any other individual Android device in most, if not all, markets. Yes, Android outsells Apple collectively, but you read something that isn't evidenced by the facts.
- laumars 14y ago
  I wont bother next time as it's pretty clear that you're a fanboy so any evidence presented to you would be dismissed. The RDF is strong in this one
  - halostatue 14y ago
    Fanboy is shorthand for “I have no evidence to counter your assertions, therefore I‘m going to say that nothing I can say could convince you differently because you’re unable to be convinced.” It’s a winning combination of ad hominem and tautological statement rolled into one. It's also a technique only used by people who have lost an argument they shouldn't have started in the first place. You pointed to two articles: one which had no numbers (and whose actual source currently contradicts your assertion) and is therefore suspect; the other which had numbers, but that I had already addressed in my initial response and acknowledged. For a very brief moment, the S3 did, indeed, outship‡ the iPhone 4S in CQ3'12. It has not, however, kept that sales position against the latest iPhone for CQ4'12. It's entirely possible that the S3 or the eventual S4 will take the crown from the iPhone as the most successful mobile phone. I can point you to this note by Strategy Analytics which suggests that, in the U.S., at least, Apple became the largest mobile phone vendor—not just of smartphones, but of all mobile phones in CQ4'12. http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/WDS/post/2013/02/01/Apple-Becomes-Largest-Mobile-Phone-Vendor-in-United-States-in-Q4-2012.aspx http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/WDS/post/2013/02/01/Apple... I do happen to be a fan of quality products (and consider Apple products to be generally higher quality than non-Apple products), and far prefer the iOS ecosystem to the Android ecosystem (I don't have enough money to spend on random gadgets to be as disappointed as I was with the N7 on a regular basis; on the other hand, the N7 has only gotten better since I bought it, so Android is getting better incrementally). I am not, however, uncritically supportive of Apple. What I am is dismissive of claims without merit—like yours were. The only RDF involved is the one you seem to have that suggests for Android to win, Apple must lose. I happen to think that there is room for quality products from a variety of vendors. As much as I don't think that RIMM^WBlackBerry’s chances are very good anymore, I do have a desire to see them succeed, in part because I know people who have worked there, and, well, they're Canadian. ‡ Shipments aren't sales, but you don't keep high shipments of the sales are not there (cf. Blackberry Playbook), so it's a reasonable proxy, even if it's probably incorrect by a few percentage points at any given time because of channel stuffing.