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KDE 4.10 has been released.

107 points by dysoco 14y ago

speeder 14y ago
Yay more KDE!!! I only wish making a startup had meant I would have my computer nearby instead of only Android devices... Can I get KDE into Android??? No? Well, I have then to somehow get sufficient money to rent my own place, so I can bring my own computer, and finally update my Fedora 12.
- speeder 14y ago
  A interesting note here: I noticed my karma was swinging wildly. Using the "threads" button, I noticed that the "YAY more KDE!!!" post is the culprit, it is swinging between -5 and +5 I expected such things usually from posts of controversial political opinions, not of a "Yay KDE!" comment. I guess there are lots of fans and haters of KDE? Maybe fans of GNOME are downvoting while KDE lovers are upvoting? It is interesting sometimes to see how people might get trigger happy, and stingy with personal software choices. I guess if I said that I hate Emacs and love Vim the result would be the same (the swinging Karma)
  - SkyMarshal 14y ago
    Probably just haters of emotional outbursts on HN in general. Usually a signal that the rest of the post will be content-free, opinion, cheerleading, etc.
  - planckscnst 14y ago
    It's because there are two types of voters: those that vote because they agree or disagree with a sentiment and those that vote because the comment was useful and added to the conversation. We want more of the second group voting; the first group's votes are useless and counterproductive. Your first comment completely deserves a downvote by the second group, and your second comment is intresting but off-topic; I generally vote those up if I vote on it at all.
  - deleted 14y ago
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- CrazedGeek 14y ago
  But you can! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites...
  - speeder 14y ago
    Whoo! But it seems to be Gnome and Debian leaning... But whoo!!!
    - yareally 14y ago
      Debian easily allows the install of KDE under alternative desktops in the boot setup menu instead of the default Gnome 3. Also recommend using at least Debian Testing repositories if you want things to be relatively new. https://extendedreality.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2_debian_wheezy_net_advopt_altde-e1331638914541.png?w=710 https://extendedreality.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2_debian...
      - bijupunalor 14y ago
        Debian testing is frozen with KDE 4.8.4 and it's very stable (more so than recent Kubuntu releases, imo). Adventurers can always use the siduction's kdenext repo, which is at 4.9.5 atm. I'm sure 4.10 will be released there soon. "deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext unstable main"
        jfebrer 14y ago
        KDE 4.9.5 it's already packaged in Debian, see: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/01/msg00060.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/01/msg00060.html, although those packages are targeted to sid, it works with testing after pulling a couple libs of sid.
moondowner 14y ago
Moving the workspace/Plasma to Qt Quick was an excellent choice. BTW I love the PicMi game included in KDE Games! http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/applications.php http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/applications.php
- jevinskie 14y ago
  Can you describe the benefits? I perused the release notes and I couldn't find any details.
  - compilercreator 14y ago
    Qt Quick has many advantages over traditional Qt widgets: 1. It provides a simple JSON-like declarative syntax for defining UI layouts, and is quite easy to write new layouts for different use cases (desktop, tablet, netbook etc) 2. Very easy to do animations 3. Qt Quick is fully OpenGL accelerated in Qt 5 and beyond. While this KDE release is not using Qt 5, it provides a good transition path for the future.
  - moondowner 14y ago
    They started migrating several releases before 4.10, maybe that's why. To sum it up, I'll paste this: "In short, QML makes it very easy to write fluid user interfaces, while retaining speed. The advantages expand well beyond the mobile application sphere, and represent a new way to do GUIs." http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/my-thoughts-on-qml-and-the-desktop/ http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/my-thoughts-on... QML is part of QtQuick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QML Aaron Seigo also had some good points on his blog (If I remember well) but I couldn't find them now. Check his blog nevertheless, it's worth it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/
- ANTSANTS 14y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonogram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonogram If you happen to have a Nintendo DS, Nintendo made some excellent nonogram games for it under the "Picross" label, including one that translates the gameplay into three dimensions! Be careful, though, it's horribly addictive... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_3D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_3D
iso-8859-1 14y ago
Here's the PrintScr commit for Konsole: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole/repository/revisions/5526c75fb26c6967937699601abc31457b338712 https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole/r...
kunai 14y ago
Why didn't they just jump to KDE 5? KDE 4.10 is a confusing name, because in standard decimal format it would look like KDE 4.1... This looks very nice. KDE is the most polished desktop environment currently out there for Linux/BSD/illumos, and the 4.10 release seems to be the one that's finally caught up with OS X in terms of fit and finish. I would download it, if only I had a computer fast enough to run it... Stuck with a 1.6GHZ dual-thread Atom desktop with 1GB of RAM and an ancient integrated graphics chip. Xfce is the only full desktop environment I can run with minimal performance impact. Guess it's time to upgrade to either the iMac or the XPS One.
- emilsedgh 14y ago
  KDE's versioning scheme follows specific guidelines. In a x.y.z scheme, a bump in x means API and ABI incompatibility with previous versions.
- deleted 14y ago
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- dysoco 14y ago
  KDE 5.0 would be a major release: I doubt they are looking into that now.
- greyboy 14y ago
  It's not too confusing, is it? I'd say it's rather common. On the same front page is 'Scala 2.10' here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5175870 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5175870
- zokier 14y ago
  Double digit minor version numbers are very common. Linux was 2.6.34 or something, GNOME was up to 2.32, current Blender is 2.65 etc etc. KDE major version numbers seem to follow Qt major version numbers, KDE3 was based on Qt3, KDE4 on Qt4, so I'd assume that KDE5 will eventually be based on Qt5.
  - zanny 14y ago
tapichu 14y ago
I'll have to give it a try today!
larard 14y ago
I used to love KDE, but they lost me and all the other users where I worked when they stopped supporting NFS home directories. Kmail was one of KDE's greatest assets, and now we are stuck with thunderbird on XFCE. KDE claimed to be "Enterprise Ready" once ( http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.2.php http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.2.php ), but silently went back on that when they forced the usage of the terrible akonadi and nepomuk with even the most basic components. I don't know of an enterprise setup that doesn't have NFS home directories by default, so I guess KDE is no longer ready for the enterprise?
- AceJohnny2 14y ago
  I used KDE 4.x at one point with NFS home directories via autofs (before migrating to Awesome). Could you elaborate on how it no longer works?
  - larard 14y ago
    Akonadi uses a MySQL db which is kept in your home directory to keep everything - mailbox index, your contacts, calendars etc. MySQL frequently has issues on NFS, and isn't supported to work with that. http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6W82CWtdN8xPKbyel7HO#2xyYQKxtOxhCaZ6 http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6W82CWtdN8xPKbyel7HO#... Strangely I cannot find any official comment from the KDE or KDE-pim projects about what has happened here, even though the forced adoption of this immature technology has caused a lot if ire withing the community. As a single example I give you http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/33089 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/33089 but there are thousands more that you will find if you ever try and google a solution to the various and sundry Akonadi/Strigi/Nepomuk issues that people are having.
sandGorgon 14y ago
Nepomuk, Strigi, Soprano and Akonadi caused my desktop to hang.. and I'm not the only one with such problems (http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=98468 http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=98468) Does anyone know if there is a stripped down/leaner version of KDE that's just a bare operating system ?
- mhurron 14y ago
  You can turn Desktop Search off.
- natex 14y ago
  Turn them off? Or, try Razor-qt. http://razor-qt.org/ http://razor-qt.org/
  - moondowner 14y ago
    I think it's better to turn them off. I've tried to use razor-qt for 2 weeks and I finally quit. There are some stuff that are not done, or half-baked, that we take for granted in KDE.
wildchild 14y ago
I am wondering why team publishing such noisy screenshots. It's pure acid.
- mverwijs 14y ago
  The screenshots, to me, look like an accurate reflection of how the desktop looks when configured to look the most professional and estatically pleasing.
shuzchen 14y ago
Those of you on fedora can get the latest by adding the kde-redhat repo here: http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ You'll need to temporarily enable fedora-updates-testing and upgrade systemd before upgrading the kde packages (at least on F18), but otherwise it's been stable for me. No clue what state that's in, but I believe you can get it in ubuntu 12.10 at https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
bederoso 14y ago
So I just installed KDE 4.10, plugged my HDMI cable to watch some series and - TA-DA! - it is finally recognizing AND adjusting the screens in the right resolution without my assistence! It still asks me if I want to do it, which is great, but it actually set up the resolutions exactly right (opposed to gnome3, which messed up the resolutions completely). Great stuff!

107 points by dysoco 14y ago

Yay more KDE!!! I only wish making a startup had meant I would have my computer nearby instead of only Android devices... Can I get KDE into Android??? No? Well, I have then to somehow get sufficient money to rent my own place, so I can bring my own computer, and finally update my Fedora 12.

speeder 14y ago
A interesting note here: I noticed my karma was swinging wildly. Using the "threads" button, I noticed that the "YAY more KDE!!!" post is the culprit, it is swinging between -5 and +5 I expected such things usually from posts of controversial political opinions, not of a "Yay KDE!" comment. I guess there are lots of fans and haters of KDE? Maybe fans of GNOME are downvoting while KDE lovers are upvoting? It is interesting sometimes to see how people might get trigger happy, and stingy with personal software choices. I guess if I said that I hate Emacs and love Vim the result would be the same (the swinging Karma)
- SkyMarshal 14y ago
  Probably just haters of emotional outbursts on HN in general. Usually a signal that the rest of the post will be content-free, opinion, cheerleading, etc.
- planckscnst 14y ago
  It's because there are two types of voters: those that vote because they agree or disagree with a sentiment and those that vote because the comment was useful and added to the conversation. We want more of the second group voting; the first group's votes are useless and counterproductive. Your first comment completely deserves a downvote by the second group, and your second comment is intresting but off-topic; I generally vote those up if I vote on it at all.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
CrazedGeek 14y ago
But you can! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites...
- speeder 14y ago
  Whoo! But it seems to be Gnome and Debian leaning... But whoo!!!
  - yareally 14y ago
    Debian easily allows the install of KDE under alternative desktops in the boot setup menu instead of the default Gnome 3. Also recommend using at least Debian Testing repositories if you want things to be relatively new. https://extendedreality.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2_debian_wheezy_net_advopt_altde-e1331638914541.png?w=710 https://extendedreality.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2_debian...
    - bijupunalor 14y ago
      Debian testing is frozen with KDE 4.8.4 and it's very stable (more so than recent Kubuntu releases, imo). Adventurers can always use the siduction's kdenext repo, which is at 4.9.5 atm. I'm sure 4.10 will be released there soon. "deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext unstable main"
      - jfebrer 14y ago
        KDE 4.9.5 it's already packaged in Debian, see: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/01/msg00060.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2013/01/msg00060.html, although those packages are targeted to sid, it works with testing after pulling a couple libs of sid.

moondowner 14y ago

Moving the workspace/Plasma to Qt Quick was an excellent choice. BTW I love the PicMi game included in KDE Games! http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/applications.php http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/applications.php

jevinskie 14y ago
Can you describe the benefits? I perused the release notes and I couldn't find any details.
- compilercreator 14y ago
  Qt Quick has many advantages over traditional Qt widgets: 1. It provides a simple JSON-like declarative syntax for defining UI layouts, and is quite easy to write new layouts for different use cases (desktop, tablet, netbook etc) 2. Very easy to do animations 3. Qt Quick is fully OpenGL accelerated in Qt 5 and beyond. While this KDE release is not using Qt 5, it provides a good transition path for the future.
- moondowner 14y ago
  They started migrating several releases before 4.10, maybe that's why. To sum it up, I'll paste this: "In short, QML makes it very easy to write fluid user interfaces, while retaining speed. The advantages expand well beyond the mobile application sphere, and represent a new way to do GUIs." http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/my-thoughts-on-qml-and-the-desktop/ http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/my-thoughts-on... QML is part of QtQuick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QML Aaron Seigo also had some good points on his blog (If I remember well) but I couldn't find them now. Check his blog nevertheless, it's worth it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/
ANTSANTS 14y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonogram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonogram If you happen to have a Nintendo DS, Nintendo made some excellent nonogram games for it under the "Picross" label, including one that translates the gameplay into three dimensions! Be careful, though, it's horribly addictive... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_3D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picross_3D

iso-8859-1 14y ago

Here's the PrintScr commit for Konsole: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole/repository/revisions/5526c75fb26c6967937699601abc31457b338712 https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole/r...

kunai 14y ago

Why didn't they just jump to KDE 5? KDE 4.10 is a confusing name, because in standard decimal format it would look like KDE 4.1... This looks very nice. KDE is the most polished desktop environment currently out there for Linux/BSD/illumos, and the 4.10 release seems to be the one that's finally caught up with OS X in terms of fit and finish. I would download it, if only I had a computer fast enough to run it... Stuck with a 1.6GHZ dual-thread Atom desktop with 1GB of RAM and an ancient integrated graphics chip. Xfce is the only full desktop environment I can run with minimal performance impact. Guess it's time to upgrade to either the iMac or the XPS One.

emilsedgh 14y ago
KDE's versioning scheme follows specific guidelines. In a x.y.z scheme, a bump in x means API and ABI incompatibility with previous versions.
deleted 14y ago
[deleted]
dysoco 14y ago
KDE 5.0 would be a major release: I doubt they are looking into that now.
greyboy 14y ago
It's not too confusing, is it? I'd say it's rather common. On the same front page is 'Scala 2.10' here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5175870 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5175870
zokier 14y ago
Double digit minor version numbers are very common. Linux was 2.6.34 or something, GNOME was up to 2.32, current Blender is 2.65 etc etc. KDE major version numbers seem to follow Qt major version numbers, KDE3 was based on Qt3, KDE4 on Qt4, so I'd assume that KDE5 will eventually be based on Qt5.
- zanny 14y ago

tapichu 14y ago

I'll have to give it a try today!

larard 14y ago

I used to love KDE, but they lost me and all the other users where I worked when they stopped supporting NFS home directories. Kmail was one of KDE's greatest assets, and now we are stuck with thunderbird on XFCE. KDE claimed to be "Enterprise Ready" once ( http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.2.php http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.2.php ), but silently went back on that when they forced the usage of the terrible akonadi and nepomuk with even the most basic components. I don't know of an enterprise setup that doesn't have NFS home directories by default, so I guess KDE is no longer ready for the enterprise?

AceJohnny2 14y ago
I used KDE 4.x at one point with NFS home directories via autofs (before migrating to Awesome). Could you elaborate on how it no longer works?
- larard 14y ago
  Akonadi uses a MySQL db which is kept in your home directory to keep everything - mailbox index, your contacts, calendars etc. MySQL frequently has issues on NFS, and isn't supported to work with that. http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6W82CWtdN8xPKbyel7HO#2xyYQKxtOxhCaZ6 http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6W82CWtdN8xPKbyel7HO#... Strangely I cannot find any official comment from the KDE or KDE-pim projects about what has happened here, even though the forced adoption of this immature technology has caused a lot if ire withing the community. As a single example I give you http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/33089 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/33089 but there are thousands more that you will find if you ever try and google a solution to the various and sundry Akonadi/Strigi/Nepomuk issues that people are having.

sandGorgon 14y ago

Nepomuk, Strigi, Soprano and Akonadi caused my desktop to hang.. and I'm not the only one with such problems (http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=98468 http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=98468) Does anyone know if there is a stripped down/leaner version of KDE that's just a bare operating system ?

mhurron 14y ago
You can turn Desktop Search off.
natex 14y ago
Turn them off? Or, try Razor-qt. http://razor-qt.org/ http://razor-qt.org/
- moondowner 14y ago
  I think it's better to turn them off. I've tried to use razor-qt for 2 weeks and I finally quit. There are some stuff that are not done, or half-baked, that we take for granted in KDE.

wildchild 14y ago

I am wondering why team publishing such noisy screenshots. It's pure acid.

mverwijs 14y ago
The screenshots, to me, look like an accurate reflection of how the desktop looks when configured to look the most professional and estatically pleasing.

shuzchen 14y ago

Those of you on fedora can get the latest by adding the kde-redhat repo here: http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ You'll need to temporarily enable fedora-updates-testing and upgrade systemd before upgrading the kde packages (at least on F18), but otherwise it's been stable for me. No clue what state that's in, but I believe you can get it in ubuntu 12.10 at https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa

bederoso 14y ago

So I just installed KDE 4.10, plugged my HDMI cable to watch some series and - TA-DA! - it is finally recognizing AND adjusting the screens in the right resolution without my assistence! It still asks me if I want to do it, which is great, but it actually set up the resolutions exactly right (opposed to gnome3, which messed up the resolutions completely). Great stuff!