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I don't dispute any of that. My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about and are willing to take. Most of the NFL players don't

by kjackson2012 14y ago

I don't dispute any of that. My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about and are willing to take. Most of the NFL players don't care about the health effects until it gets extremely drastic, they are willing to risk their health to get the chance to make a life-changing amount of money. Some people, like Peyton Manning who suffered a grave neck injury, already have the money, but want to do it for the sheer competitive thrill. To put it into context, it's similar to a couple of college grads spending all their time trying to make a startup. Their chance of success is extremely small, and yet they are still willing to go for it. And if they work 100 hrs a week, they could suffer health problems too, including physical and mental health issues, like depression. There are several stories of startup founders committing suicide because of their lack of success. How would you feel if a bunch of non-practitioners were sitting around, and added regulations that limited your ability to form a startup because they feared the risks that you were willing to undertake for the chance to "make it rich"?

scott_s 14y ago
My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about My point is the opposite. I don't think most people understand the risks, and we already know that 15-year-olds are not equipped to make long-term risk analysis.
- kjackson2012 14y ago
  I would agree that before, the risks from injuries like concussions were not known. In this era, however, most people playing these contact sports like football and hockey know about them. And if they play at a high-enough level such that they can play in college, then the level of care and attention they get is even higher. If they don't play at a high enough level, their career effectively ends at high school. And it's in the best interest of colleges to pay heed and educate the students on the risks as well. It's not just the NFL that is at risk to litigation, it's also the entire college system. Given the amount of litigation that colleges face, they also probably pay as much attention to things like concussions and career-ending injuries as the NFL does. So I disagree that these days most people don't understand the risks. I believe the risks are well ingrained throughout the entire system. And people are willing to take those risks, which is their right.
HarryHirsch 14y ago
> How would you feel if a bunch of non-practitioners were sitting around, and added regulations that limited your ability to form a startup because they feared the risks that you were willing to undertake for the chance to "make it rich"? It's difficult to protect sole proprietors from their own insanity, but if you are talking regulations against excessive overtime I'm all up for it. Just because everyone else at my employer is young, single and naive does not mean I should be forced to join them in their 80-hour workweeks and risk my marriage.
philwelch 14y ago
> My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about Isn't the news here that there's brain damage that we didn't know about before now?

scott_s 14y ago

My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about My point is the opposite. I don't think most people understand the risks, and we already know that 15-year-olds are not equipped to make long-term risk analysis.

kjackson2012 14y ago
I would agree that before, the risks from injuries like concussions were not known. In this era, however, most people playing these contact sports like football and hockey know about them. And if they play at a high-enough level such that they can play in college, then the level of care and attention they get is even higher. If they don't play at a high enough level, their career effectively ends at high school. And it's in the best interest of colleges to pay heed and educate the students on the risks as well. It's not just the NFL that is at risk to litigation, it's also the entire college system. Given the amount of litigation that colleges face, they also probably pay as much attention to things like concussions and career-ending injuries as the NFL does. So I disagree that these days most people don't understand the risks. I believe the risks are well ingrained throughout the entire system. And people are willing to take those risks, which is their right.

HarryHirsch 14y ago

> How would you feel if a bunch of non-practitioners were sitting around, and added regulations that limited your ability to form a startup because they feared the risks that you were willing to undertake for the chance to "make it rich"? It's difficult to protect sole proprietors from their own insanity, but if you are talking regulations against excessive overtime I'm all up for it. Just because everyone else at my employer is young, single and naive does not mean I should be forced to join them in their 80-hour workweeks and risk my marriage.

philwelch 14y ago

> My point is that it's a risk that everyone, to a great extent, knows about Isn't the news here that there's brain damage that we didn't know about before now?