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Once upon a time people said that creating stuff in PHP was ridiculous as Perl in cgi-bin was way more supported. As was mentioned, we have a hosted offering p

Once upon a time people said that creating stuff in PHP was ridiculous as Perl in cgi-bin was way more supported. As was mentioned, we have a hosted offering planned so people can set up a forum in a few clicks. But besides that we actively want to work to make Ruby apps easier to install. Right now they're too hard and we're going to try and fix that. At the very least we'll offer VM images and install scripts for various cloud hosts.

benatkin 14y ago
RoR just isn't good at this. It's had more than enough time to position itself as an alternative to PHP. Node looks promising.
- mattmanser 14y ago
  I think you're just living in the HN bubble there laddo!
  - benatkin 14y ago
    Nice ad hom. Care to state why you disagree?
antirez 14y ago
Hint, to start provide a giant tar.gz with all relative paths, with everything included inside, all the libs, rails itself, and so forth. Make it trivial to install it providing a proven environment with the right versions of everything.
csense 14y ago
> Right now they're too hard and we're going to try and fix that. Awesome! I was trying to point out to someone that this is a critical market-share-limiting factor for Rails apps the other day. It's good to know that someone's devoting time to the problem. For an example of the difficulty of installing Rails apps, take a look at the length of the installation guide for Gitlab [1]. There are seven numbered steps, some of which involve multiple commands. Upgrading from 4.0 to 4.1 was about the same complexity. Thanks to the thoroughness of its author, the guide largely worked as advertised. But being able to install and upgrade with apt-get would have saved me hours. Please also keep in mind making it easy for people to upgrade your app -- that's just as important as installing it. [1] https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install/installation.md https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install...
egypturnash 14y ago
If you make Ruby apps as easy to install as PHP then that will quite possibly be a much bigger achievement than writing a new forum could ever be.

benatkin 14y ago

RoR just isn't good at this. It's had more than enough time to position itself as an alternative to PHP. Node looks promising.

mattmanser 14y ago
I think you're just living in the HN bubble there laddo!
- benatkin 14y ago
  Nice ad hom. Care to state why you disagree?

antirez 14y ago

Hint, to start provide a giant tar.gz with all relative paths, with everything included inside, all the libs, rails itself, and so forth. Make it trivial to install it providing a proven environment with the right versions of everything.

csense 14y ago

> Right now they're too hard and we're going to try and fix that. Awesome! I was trying to point out to someone that this is a critical market-share-limiting factor for Rails apps the other day. It's good to know that someone's devoting time to the problem. For an example of the difficulty of installing Rails apps, take a look at the length of the installation guide for Gitlab [1]. There are seven numbered steps, some of which involve multiple commands. Upgrading from 4.0 to 4.1 was about the same complexity. Thanks to the thoroughness of its author, the guide largely worked as advertised. But being able to install and upgrade with apt-get would have saved me hours. Please also keep in mind making it easy for people to upgrade your app -- that's just as important as installing it. [1] https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install/installation.md https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/stable/doc/install...

egypturnash 14y ago

If you make Ruby apps as easy to install as PHP then that will quite possibly be a much bigger achievement than writing a new forum could ever be.