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The question was if a similar scenario could have played out for a man. I don't know what your answer has to do with anything. I am as sorry for women who have

by Tichy 14y ago

The question was if a similar scenario could have played out for a man. I don't know what your answer has to do with anything. I am as sorry for women who have been raped as the next guy. Wish I could help prevent such things happening. I actually started researching that a bit. I grant that I am not yet convinced of the 1 in 4 statistics (see http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html for example), but in any case women do have too many bad experiences, and every rape is one too many. To be honest I really despise this mobbing attitude that seems to surface here. Somebody has been wronged, so now people on the internet have to be hated that have no connection to the event whatsoever. Just because I didn't join the chorus of "it's all the fault of sexism"? Edit: also, with respect to the 1 in 4 number, have studies about what men experience even been conducted? Since most of those rapes occur for young people, a lot of men could be affected, too (raped as kids). Also men appear to be much more likely to become victim of violence than women, from what I have found so far.

throwaway54-762 14y ago
"Could have" is reaching out into the hypotheticals… as other commenters have said, "let's focus on what has happened." I'm not trying to mob on you, but this branch of hypothetical thinking is always brought up in response to this kind of story, usually by men. It is problematic because it distracts attention from the main issue: systematic harassment of women in our community. Bringing up this hypothetical is a distraction/derailment tactic used by what I will call 'agents of the patriarchy,' un-wittingly or no. So when you say it, just understand why feminists get annoyed…
- Tichy 14y ago
  I'm sorry, but it was actually you who brought up the "derailment tactic": you asked specifically if it seems conceivable that a significant number of men are being harassed. And earlier the question was "would such a scenario be imaginable for a man" and your answer was "but 1 in 4 women are being raped". I assume you are not aware of it, but it seems very twisted to ask for some aspect and then condemn the mentioning of said aspect. Also how is the story here relevant to systemic harassment of women by "our" community - how common is it that a women in the community gets flooded with fake nude photographs, and how is that the communities doing (except for providing an online forum)? With respect to the 1 in 4 figure, surely you are aware that most rapes occur in relationships (relatives, spouses, acquaintances)? Also I only researched that figure of violence against men yesterday, but for Germany. In the German police crime statistics severe violence against men is much more frequent than severe violence and rape against women. So there is at least one data point.

by Tichy 14y ago

throwaway54-762 14y ago

"Could have" is reaching out into the hypotheticals… as other commenters have said, "let's focus on what has happened." I'm not trying to mob on you, but this branch of hypothetical thinking is always brought up in response to this kind of story, usually by men. It is problematic because it distracts attention from the main issue: systematic harassment of women in our community. Bringing up this hypothetical is a distraction/derailment tactic used by what I will call 'agents of the patriarchy,' un-wittingly or no. So when you say it, just understand why feminists get annoyed…

Tichy 14y ago
I'm sorry, but it was actually you who brought up the "derailment tactic": you asked specifically if it seems conceivable that a significant number of men are being harassed. And earlier the question was "would such a scenario be imaginable for a man" and your answer was "but 1 in 4 women are being raped". I assume you are not aware of it, but it seems very twisted to ask for some aspect and then condemn the mentioning of said aspect. Also how is the story here relevant to systemic harassment of women by "our" community - how common is it that a women in the community gets flooded with fake nude photographs, and how is that the communities doing (except for providing an online forum)? With respect to the 1 in 4 figure, surely you are aware that most rapes occur in relationships (relatives, spouses, acquaintances)? Also I only researched that figure of violence against men yesterday, but for Germany. In the German police crime statistics severe violence against men is much more frequent than severe violence and rape against women. So there is at least one data point.