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So you guys use a closed source program from 'hackers' to be able to fully use your phone? So you have all the disavantages of paying for something and all the

by gcb0 14y ago

So you guys use a closed source program from 'hackers' to be able to fully use your phone? So you have all the disavantages of paying for something and all the disadvantages of using some keygen binary to use as it was pirated. and i'm worried about what lies in the binary blob of my phone's boot1 and radio driver....

United857 14y ago
Closed source probably for practical reasons, to make it harder for Apple to quickly release a "fix".
- nacs 14y ago
  By the time a patch is publicly released like this, I'm sure Apple will have it decompiled and know what the exploit is within weeks if not days since the actual exploit code won't be much code to analyze (as opposed to digging through all of iOS like the jailbreakers have to do find an exploitable location). Plus, Apple I'm sure has plenty of software/hardware debuggers they can attach to their own hardware that'd let them know what is happening even if they didn't have the closed/open binary.
  - saurik 14y ago
    (Days matter.) Another issue is that open-sourcing the exploit makes it easier to use for nefarious purposes in the mean time, and it isn't like knowing exactly how the exploit works actually helps end users protect themselves, due to Apple's platform policies. In essence, this is all a really dangerous ethical tightrope to be walked.
    - nacs 14y ago
      It's an honor to get a response from the great saurik himself, especially on a day when I'm sure you're very busy trying to keep Cydia up. Thanks for the info.
- voltagex_ 14y ago
  That's not my experience of the Apple jailbreaking community. I'm starting to see the same mentality in the Android rooting community too. When I went to jailbreak an Apple TV 2, I was presented with lists of software to buy. WTF? Show me the code.
jawngee 14y ago
I'm sure you're not using a closed source binary anywhere in your day to day usage of computing devices.
- jarek 14y ago
  Sure, but my laptop's graphics driver isn't preventing me from sharing a torrent while trolling^Wbrowsing HN.
- gcb0 14y ago
  not from someone who i know nothing about like this. i will let you know the last time i install something from a blog.
nathan_f77 14y ago
Just a nitpick, but news.ycombinator.com is for "hackers". These guys are the real, unquoted hackers.

by gcb0 14y ago

United857 14y ago

Closed source probably for practical reasons, to make it harder for Apple to quickly release a "fix".

nacs 14y ago
By the time a patch is publicly released like this, I'm sure Apple will have it decompiled and know what the exploit is within weeks if not days since the actual exploit code won't be much code to analyze (as opposed to digging through all of iOS like the jailbreakers have to do find an exploitable location). Plus, Apple I'm sure has plenty of software/hardware debuggers they can attach to their own hardware that'd let them know what is happening even if they didn't have the closed/open binary.
- saurik 14y ago
  (Days matter.) Another issue is that open-sourcing the exploit makes it easier to use for nefarious purposes in the mean time, and it isn't like knowing exactly how the exploit works actually helps end users protect themselves, due to Apple's platform policies. In essence, this is all a really dangerous ethical tightrope to be walked.
  - nacs 14y ago
    It's an honor to get a response from the great saurik himself, especially on a day when I'm sure you're very busy trying to keep Cydia up. Thanks for the info.
voltagex_ 14y ago
That's not my experience of the Apple jailbreaking community. I'm starting to see the same mentality in the Android rooting community too. When I went to jailbreak an Apple TV 2, I was presented with lists of software to buy. WTF? Show me the code.

jawngee 14y ago

I'm sure you're not using a closed source binary anywhere in your day to day usage of computing devices.

jarek 14y ago
Sure, but my laptop's graphics driver isn't preventing me from sharing a torrent while trolling^Wbrowsing HN.
gcb0 14y ago
not from someone who i know nothing about like this. i will let you know the last time i install something from a blog.

nathan_f77 14y ago

Just a nitpick, but news.ycombinator.com is for "hackers". These guys are the real, unquoted hackers.