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The last sentences makes me think: Ask yourself this: If on January 10, Steve Heymann and Carmen Ortiz at the Massachusetts US Attorney’s office had calle

by d0m 14y ago

The last sentences makes me think: Ask yourself this: If on January 10, Steve Heymann and Carmen Ortiz at the Massachusetts US Attorney’s office had called Aaron’s lawyer and said they’d realized their mistake and that they were dropping all charges — or even for that matter that they were ready to offer a reasonable plea deal that wouldn’t have marked Aaron as a felon for the rest of his life — would Aaron have killed himself on January 11? The answer is unquestionably no. Is it really, unquestionably, no? If for two years he was enjoying life (As the OP explained) and that he was actively working on a new project (Again as the OP explained), I find it very odd that he committed suicide because of the charges. It has to have a straw that broke the camel's back. Oh well, I guess so. Or I don't know. But I find it very sad.

cma 14y ago
The day the killed himself was the anniversary of his arrest.
- unreal37 14y ago
  No, it wasn't. [1] He died Jan 11, 2013. He was arrested Jan 6, 2011. Close, but then again, any two random dates have a high chance of being close. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Millennium 14y ago
This would imply that the US Attorney's office made a mistake in charging him for the crimes he committed. In reality, this would have been letting him off the hook because ZOMGAARONSWARTZ. Aaron died because he forgot that civil disobedience is not about sticking it to The Man, but about getting into the sort of vulnerable position that makes it possible to win people over with dialogue. It's about paying the price, not doing the deed, and he wasn't prepared for that. This is not something he should be martyred for.
- jjjjjosh 14y ago
  "civil disobedience is not about sticking it to The Man, but about getting into the sort of vulnerable position that makes it possible to win people over with dialogue." I find that really beautiful, thank you.
sethist 14y ago
Furthermore, even if that statement is true does it mean we should blame the prosecution? The analogy I have been using is getting fired or going through a breakup. Those type of events are sometimes catalysts for suicide, but I don't think anyone would blame the employer or significant other for that. People are responsible for their own actions. They are responsible for how they react to adversity or tragedy. Aaron was the one who killed himself. The charges likely played a role in his decision, but that doesn't mean his "death was caused by [the] criminal justice system."
knowtheory 14y ago
> "a straw that broke the camel's back" I think you're asking people to oscillate between two poles of a continuum. The indictment of Aaron Swartz was very clearly, and i think uncontroversially, a life altering experience for Swartz. So I think that Taren, the OP and Aaron's GF, are probably correct on the substance. I think that even if you want to say that the prosecution wasn't the only factor, it is something that moved the needle in Swartz's life, and pushed everything not just a little bit closer (e.g. this was not a straw), but a lot closer to a suicidal event.
- oh_sigh 14y ago
  So what? What does that fact tell us?

by d0m 14y ago

cma 14y ago

The day the killed himself was the anniversary of his arrest.

unreal37 14y ago
No, it wasn't. [1] He died Jan 11, 2013. He was arrested Jan 6, 2011. Close, but then again, any two random dates have a high chance of being close. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

Millennium 14y ago

This would imply that the US Attorney's office made a mistake in charging him for the crimes he committed. In reality, this would have been letting him off the hook because ZOMGAARONSWARTZ. Aaron died because he forgot that civil disobedience is not about sticking it to The Man, but about getting into the sort of vulnerable position that makes it possible to win people over with dialogue. It's about paying the price, not doing the deed, and he wasn't prepared for that. This is not something he should be martyred for.

jjjjjosh 14y ago
"civil disobedience is not about sticking it to The Man, but about getting into the sort of vulnerable position that makes it possible to win people over with dialogue." I find that really beautiful, thank you.

sethist 14y ago

Furthermore, even if that statement is true does it mean we should blame the prosecution? The analogy I have been using is getting fired or going through a breakup. Those type of events are sometimes catalysts for suicide, but I don't think anyone would blame the employer or significant other for that. People are responsible for their own actions. They are responsible for how they react to adversity or tragedy. Aaron was the one who killed himself. The charges likely played a role in his decision, but that doesn't mean his "death was caused by [the] criminal justice system."

knowtheory 14y ago

> "a straw that broke the camel's back" I think you're asking people to oscillate between two poles of a continuum. The indictment of Aaron Swartz was very clearly, and i think uncontroversially, a life altering experience for Swartz. So I think that Taren, the OP and Aaron's GF, are probably correct on the substance. I think that even if you want to say that the prosecution wasn't the only factor, it is something that moved the needle in Swartz's life, and pushed everything not just a little bit closer (e.g. this was not a straw), but a lot closer to a suicidal event.

oh_sigh 14y ago
So what? What does that fact tell us?